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Make Your Trading Truly Worthwhile

Discussion in 'Forex Basics Boot Camp - Fx Articles by Pharaoh' started by Pharaoh, May 7, 2009.

  1. Stony

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    Complicated!

    @ Duck:

    I totally agree with your statements concerning the worth of trading!

    @ Pharaoh:

    You approached the issue of donating for charity reasons in a very complicated way. If one can afford it, he should help those who need help. If he can´t, he must help himself first by generating income. Which kind of income doesn´t matter, as long as it is legally ok. It´s that simple!

    Happy trading - Stony
     
  2. precap2

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    Giving is living

    If you don't give, you're dead.
    If you give without expecting to receive increase,
    you'll receive it anyway.
    But I give because it gives me joy.
    I do give even out of my loss
     
  3. ADEGBUYI

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    self interest

    really ,i appreciate your message today because is an eye open one ,it has to do with doing oneself a favor.however is not compulsory but is mandatory ,is not even a science is a natural thing and for our own interest. what you gives is what you will be remember for;but as for me, i have been trying but i think i would like to do more.in conclusion the ball is in your court.giving is more blessed than receiving.[do your self a favor]
     
  4. Doc Popsy

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    Why trade forex?

    I am glad we are talking this way. The world could use such assistance, as many are miserable with no clear source of a single meal, especially in Africa. I have not actually run into profit, yet; but I know what I will do with such profit when it comes. I will be glad to put some smiles on the faces of quite a number of people around me. You can't believe what 50 to 100 dollars could do in the lives of local people in Africa. Lets continue to talk this way; and may God bless the mover of this discussion.
     
  5. Pharaoh

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    Forex markets existed long before retail traders did. Yes, there's over 1 trillion per day moved, but we are really only a tiny percentage of it.

    Doctors and teachers don't literally build things, but they do provide critical services to society. The guys who collect garbage provide critical services to society. Lose any of these for more than a very short time and society would be in trouble. Lose retail forex traders and a modest percentage (at most) of the daily market liquidity goes away.
    :)

    Mostly, retail forex traders provide money to brokers and to other retail forex traders. Banks and larger financial institutions trade over a trillion every day. We are tiny fish in a HUGE pond.

    Exchange rates were locked for decades by Bretton Woods. It did lead to unfairness for some things. Then again, after currencies began to float, it took quite some time for retain forex to be "invented".

    I think our direct impact (good or bad) is really minimal. Using some of our profits can cause a huge indirect benefit from our trading activities.

    If we use some of our profits to improve the world, that changes a lot of answers from "no" to "yes".

    If you trade with the right bucketshop, it's your broker who loses when you win. Of course, brokers like that make it very difficult to be consistently profitable.

    Still, on a level playing field, forex is slightly less than a zero-sum game (zero-sum minus spreads and commissions).

    People who travel get to trade forex at the bank or airport (you know you're a forex trader when you see a 4 cent difference on buy and sell at the airport and think "400 pips! What a ripoff!") don't really contribute very much liquidity to the market. Their losses are the gain of the bank doing the exchanging.

    And will pay for enough catnip to keep 500 homeless cats entertained for a week.
    :D
     
  6. jurgras

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    jurgras

    I have stopped trading Forex all together because I have developed serious ethical problems as a Christian with it.

    Trading is a zero sum game, even a negative sum game. It produces NOTHING of value, no wealth is created like in Stock trading. The net chance in total wealth among traders is zero at the end of the day - the wealth is just SHIFTED from one trader to another!

    It is far too close to gambling for me (some skill, a lot of chance), you also make gains ONLY at another's expense! Jesus said that we should love our neighbor as we love ourselves. How can you do that when you profit at somebody else's expense? To give to worthy causes is great, but the end does not justify the means.

    Think carefully about what I have said. I don't know if anybody can convince me otherwise?
     
  7. fxtender

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    giving

    yes sir, you are 'on the money' about we need to give more. in the 3 to 5 thousand years 'people' supposely have been here I find our speices more and more un-torable. the narcisim and me-me-me attitude is at its' worse. i give what little i can to California Equine Retirement Foundation, Inc. - a retirement community for thorougbred horses. they also save a number of these horses from the 'grinder' .

    we all need to change our attitude about helping out and helping others.
    FxTender
    take care of yourself, then your family, than others.
     
  8. duck

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    By all means honor your conscience, whatever it finally dictates. But I don't believe forex trading is a zero sum game. Please see my previous comments on the matter.

    But If stock trading is okay with you, then consider if stock trading and forex trading is really different. With stock trading, you invest in a company. With forex trading, you invest in a country. In both cases, if you invested wisely, you made money. If poorly, you lose. Is there really a difference?

    Sure, with forex you invest long or short on a currency *pair*, but your aim is to help the countries involved in both pairs, regardless of whether your long or short in it, as countries of overvalued currency benefit if from a correction.

    The benefit of forex trading to the world is not exactly visible to us individuals but it *IS* there. It has to be. If it wasn't there, no profits would be gained by it. Obviously the profits of forex trading ARE much more visible but there's more to it than that.

    Best to you....
     
  9. MarkDC

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    Great thread

    Thanks for starting this conversation. It's like deja vu because I just started live trading on Monday, and I was searching online for good donation sites after my first weekly profit. I found two great charity resources:

    Charity Navigator - America's Largest Charity Evaluator | Home - perfect for finding a charity that is well run and helps in the philanthropy type or location of your choosing.

    Home - Modest Needs® - give small donations directly to help low-income individuals in need after reading their story. Every person's cause is researched by a volunteer who does the due dilegence for you, and the individuals often contact you directly to show their gratitude. You can also give anonymously.

    Also, if you are trading your forex account in your IRA, and you're 70.5 or older and taking minimum distributions, you don't have to pay income tax on distributions that go directly to charity (up to $100,000) in 2009. Hopefully that rule will be extended. Just throwing that out there in case your circumstances match:
    New Withdrawal Rules Give IRAs Some Breathing Room - WSJ.com
     
  10. 4xStar

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    Excellent!

    My goal is to one day become a "Visionary Philanthropist" .. I got the title from that guy in The Secret, Dr. Michael something ... I thought that was the coolest title ever!

    For the moment I have adoped a child in Mexico through Children International, just one so far, but there will be more & I have some ideas to help troubled teens in this country as well. But I will need a lot of money ;)

    Forex and Christian or spiritual values are very compatible in my opinion. "Love One Another" is all we really need to do .. yet far too many ignore this simple command.

    Trading forex harms no one (unlike stock trading which can harm a company, especially a smaller one) and if it can make people wealthy and enough of them figure out the real path to inner peace is in service to others .. well, I think Jesus, Buddha and all the great spiritual leaders would be applauding our efforts. :):)
     

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