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[Sueozzie]

I just want to give u my Story and maybe it may just shed light on what the truth is really out there...

I purchased the Auto pilot back in May of this year and on trying to download it I had Errors and wasn't able to get the program onto my EA in Meta trader4.

Being new to it all I was having problems. I emailed support with no reply and even rang the phone number that was provided with no response...I then went and asked for refund after few days of frustration.

In the mean time I went searching on the net to see if anyone had the same problems, and there were plenty in here...
I also read that there was a user group set up in Yahoo FAPUSERSGROUP and I immediately requested to join.
I sat still for a week, while after I joined this group, reading all what I could about the FAP and found the support in there wonderful. I attended my First live chat with them.

Now I had a software downloaded on my computer working well and my money refunded I was feeling uncomfortable and dishonest. Attending Charles User group chats I was able to find away to return back the money that was refunded back through Click bank. Marcus was in attendance to that meeting that day too.

So I then began my journey into learning how to operate and work my new software. Learning too that Charles worked for nothing setting up this support for us that were roaming and lost out there, with no answers I felt confident that I now could start this software and have support.

In my time i have been associated with the FAPUSERSGROUP I also learnt that for a small amount of money Charles would set up for me my own personal trading strategy for my size account... I was thrilled and gladly handed over a small fee of $60 to have this done for me...
I have now a demo account showing an awesome return and am excited at soon going to go live.

I have been Hurt to see how someone that doesn't appreciate a Wonderful service that is free could knock it.
There are changes now happening within the group that is so much better and is giving us a wonderful community that we can learn together and grow in working with our Auto Pilots.
What I see posted in here is spam and they have taken the Posts out of context to establish themselves. PLEASE those of u that are looking DO NOT be put off by the wolves that cry wolf in here. Do your self a favor and Join and u too will see what support I got.
I am now also lending Charles a hand to help u too to set up and get you started. Cheers to you all and welcome to those that join us..

[Gayle]

It was brought to my attention you had posted one of my messages from a yahoo users group. I do not appreciate you using the message without my permission. I would like for you to delete it please. Just so you know..Charles will continue his chats with the members. That was made clear today. I would also like to add the fact the Forex Auto Pilot has worked very well for me. One of my demo accounts I use the Forex Auto Pilot only to trade. I opened the account July 7th 2008. My profit is now over $600. I am quite pleased with the results from the Forex Autopilot after two days of trading. Again, I would appreciate you deleting the message you copied from the yahoo users group that I had posted.

Thanks,
Gayle

[LTK]

hey guys,

As I mentioned earlier, yes I am selling a newsletter and those who like it will buy from me.

I was on FAPUG, and based on the use of FAPS, I have given both positive and negative comments. More often than not, negative comments were canceled by Charles.

So you will only see and read nice posts until recently where most posts were allowed to be posted on the newsgroup.

Naturally the moderator and his group will always protect the interest of their strategy as it is money for them.

All I am saying now is, I want to highlight to all of you to read and check out all the facts before making any purchases. FAP IS GOOD.

But I can't say much about the FAPTS and the too good to be true results on FAPWINNER.COM.

I wonder why Charles never post his account on the website for all to see ? Rather than ask ppl to log into his account ? Deposit made to the account no one can see as it is backhistory and you will see earnings made on EURGBP rather than on EURUSD. If just on EURUSD, then well the earnings on his FAPTS settings IS LOUSY.

I will not say anymore.

Join his Silver, Gold and Supreme gated community if you can afford his fees and virtual dreams.

TK

[LTK]

FAP is good. But do you use FAPTS and his gold and supreme plan ?

Do you even know who the real Marcus is ?

Originally Posted by Gayle

It was brought to my attention you had posted one of my messages from a yahoo users group. I do not appreciate you using the message without my permission. I would like for you to delete it please. Just so you know..Charles will continue his chats with the members. That was made clear today. I would also like to add the fact the Forex Auto Pilot has worked very well for me. One of my demo accounts I use the Forex Auto Pilot only to trade. I opened the account July 7th 2008. My profit is now over $600. I am quite pleased with the results from the Forex Autopilot after two days of trading. Again, I would appreciate you deleting the message you copied from the yahoo users group that I had posted.

Thanks,
Gayle

[LTK]

Sue,

Naturally, you would speak up for Charles as you are the moderator of FAPUSERSGRP

Originally Posted by Sueozzie

I just want to give u my Story and maybe it may just shed light on what the truth is really out there...

I purchased the Auto pilot back in May of this year and on trying to download it I had Errors and wasn't able to get the program onto my EA in Meta trader4.

Being new to it all I was having problems. I emailed support with no reply and even rang the phone number that was provided with no response...I then went and asked for refund after few days of frustration.

In the mean time I went searching on the net to see if anyone had the same problems, and there were plenty in here...
I also read that there was a user group set up in Yahoo FAPUSERSGROUP and I immediately requested to join.
I sat still for a week, while after I joined this group, reading all what I could about the FAP and found the support in there wonderful. I attended my First live chat with them.

Now I had a software downloaded on my computer working well and my money refunded I was feeling uncomfortable and dishonest. Attending Charles User group chats I was able to find away to return back the money that was refunded back through Click bank. Marcus was in attendance to that meeting that day too.

So I then began my journey into learning how to operate and work my new software. Learning too that Charles worked for nothing setting up this support for us that were roaming and lost out there, with no answers I felt confident that I now could start this software and have support.

In my time i have been associated with the FAPUSERSGROUP I also learnt that for a small amount of money Charles would set up for me my own personal trading strategy for my size account... I was thrilled and gladly handed over a small fee of $60 to have this done for me...
I have now a demo account showing an awesome return and am excited at soon going to go live.

I have been Hurt to see how someone that doesn't appreciate a Wonderful service that is free could knock it.
There are changes now happening within the group that is so much better and is giving us a wonderful community that we can learn together and grow in working with our Auto Pilots.
What I see posted in here is spam and they have taken the Posts out of context to establish themselves. PLEASE those of u that are looking DO NOT be put off by the wolves that cry wolf in here. Do your self a favor and Join and u too will see what support I got.
I am now also lending Charles a hand to help u too to set up and get you started. Cheers to you all and welcome to those that join us..

[LTK]

Well said !!!

The fake Marcus and the doctored results and all the lies and promises to get more money out of newbies.

If they can really make millions off forex, why even bother to set up FAPWINNER and sell FAPTS for such high prices ?

Marketing gimmick

Originally Posted by Pharaoh

Charles,

Not all professional traders add to winning systems. If the investment is supposed to be providing some form of income, it's traditional to take out a percentage of the monthly profits.

If I might offer a suggestion:

I would recommend an account running your version of FAPS with NO deposits or withdrawals after the original deposit. I would even recommend initiating trading on the first day of a month.

This would make it very easy to post the beginning and end of month balance each month, thus making % return simple to calculate. Adding or subtracting money from such an account complicates things considerably.

[Sueozzie]

I was LOST and I found support!!!!! WHY wouldn't I support and help out too. I have nothing to prove, but everything to gain and so do those that come and find out...

I have seen this so often in these forums before when someone gets up to make a difference and is knocked down for doing something about it..
I give up my Time for free to help others too..
What u give out, u get back i guess..

Originally Posted by LTK

Sue,

Naturally, you would speak up for Charles as you are the moderator of FAPUSERSGRP

[Gayle]

TLK
You used my post without my permission. I had not been fully informed of the benefits of the Silver package which I received for free by becoming a FAPTS member. I was mistaken when I posted in the yahoo Group. That post was a reaction to not knowing the full extent of what the change was going to be for us. IF i had just waited, I would have found out that Charles had no intentions of not having a support system for us. I am very pleased with the results I am receiving from the FAPTS trading plan.

Gayle

Originally Posted by LTK

The truth about FAPUG.

Moderator being the farmer , getting all nice and polite to get more members to join the newsgroup. Bans all those who speak ill or negative of the group.

So you will always read good things.

Then now the time is ripe to "harvest" the group with Silver, Gold and Supreme FAPTS plan. Getting all the internet marketing sales pitch in to entice members to buy.

So what happens when members buy ? All the attention after reaping the rewards.......... read the comments by some members :

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July 9 1255am

Charles,

I have already spent $150 to purchase Faps and FAPTS.
I will not be sending you more money. It seems we lose
contact with you at the end of this month. Part of the
reason I upgraded to FAPTS was for the support. The Silver
package is not what I expected. I am quite disappointed
that we have to pay more to have contact.

Gayle

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July 9 1244am

Where's the love?

My post has yet again bubbled off the main message page without any
answers.

I'm beginning to feel ignored, Charles.


Chris
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[Stephenie]

Hi All,
I am a FAP/FAPTS user. I am actually using the software and trading plan on a live account where I've put my own funds on the line. I had attempted to trade the forex markets in the past on my own, but was unsuccessful. I knew how to read charts and all about resistance/support levels, etc. The things I was lacking were the time to track/monitor the forex markets and a money management plan.

The solutions came in the form of FAP/FAPTS. I had purchased FAP and was starting to use it when I stumbled upon the FAP user group in Yahoo. I instantly knew that I had found a group of people who would become my friends on a journey towards real wealth. Charles, the moderator of the group, posted frequently and at all hours of the day and night. It seemed like the man never slept...he was too busy assisting those who didn't understand how to use FAP.

I find it utterly appalling that since, after months of giving of himself, his time, and his expertise...that there are people like LTK (who I believe is Tuan Kit Lee - a poster on FAPUG that had been banned) and others who are turning against Charles because of FAPWinner.com. Never before have I met someone who honestly wants to help others succeed as much as Charles. I for one, have absolutely no problem spending money to help him in his quest.

He is not a greedy person. Nor am I. I have been willing to provide assistance to him in whatever small ways that I can without expecting, let alone demanding, some sort of compensation. I do this because I want to "pay it forward" - kind of like the movie - Charles gave of himself freely and I will do the same. Does FAPWinner cost? Of course! Nothing in this life is free. But the benefits of what Charles has done FAR outweigh the cost. People like me...who see the true value of what Charles has given us...WE WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. I actually feel sorry for those who don't "get it"...and probably never will. They are missing out on a wonderful opportunity.

I encourage you to consider these statements I've made here...you'll see that Charles ALWAYS has the success & best interests of his followers at heart. Please come join us at FAPWinner.com - if you can follow Charles' direction and leadership, I think over time, you will find yourself pleasantly surprised at how successful you will be.

Respectfully,
Stephenie

[Ms Diva]

For the last four months, Charles has put his heart and soul into answering any and all questions that members of the FAP users group have had when customer support could not take the time, ignored or could not keep up with their request. He took it upon himself to provide a safe environment to give answers to questions users had that weren’t being answered by anyone else. He has guided, directed, instructed and spent numerous untold daily hours at our peck and call. All you would need to do is look at the times of his postings of the group message site to see how much time and energy he puts into helping others! Oh and let's not forget above all, the request and questions sent to his personal email account that we never see! The man couldn't possibly sleep, eat or have a life or any quality family time with all the time he spends doing the above. He's worked hard making sure that we have what we need, when we need it. What other professional financial advisor would have done that for others without charging an astronomical fee? The group gets his expertise, his knowledge and his time for FREE! How many other people spend over 20+ hours a day at a job that does not pay your bills? All he asked of us is to be courteous, polite, have a willingness to learn and be taught and to help others when we see fit.

And then we have people riding their own negative roller coaster. The devil is not always beautifully dressed and does not always have soothing words for those he wants to conquer! Sometimes he’s shows up in a discussion forum behind a computer screen. He spews lies according to what he wants you to hear. He gives you just enough of the truth mixed in with his lies to make you believe what he is saying. He gives you half-truths without giving you the actual circumstances for the statements made and the complete content of text. He was banned from the group, yet somehow the bad apple has managed to worm his way back in the group under disguise so he can feed like a vampire sucking the life out of what he wishes he had thought about and hasn’t done. He negatively uses other people’s words without their permission to achieve what he has set out to do. Like a troubled child, he was given warnings that rude negativity and total disrespect, not adhering to simple rules (not spamming the group with things other then FAP – i.e. newsletters) not a disagreement with Charles’ advice, would not be tolerated. Devils in any form don’t know the truth but will preach it like it’s the gospel.

These people were lost and found a home and a family, over 600+, where they can be supported, they can work out their issues and problems, they can ask questions of not only Charles but of others that have gained some expertise and who are willing to lend a hand where a hand is needed. Yet Mr. Negative Roller Coaster Rider, all you have managed to do is try and take down his efforts with your negative postings, failing miserably. Say it with me..... "OVER 600 MEMBERS" Spilt milk perhaps? One has to wonder why you have nothing else to do with your time other then try and knock Charles and his heroic efforts to take on something so enormous that no one else thought about or had the nerve to do. Instead of trying to use the group for your own selfish purposes, you could have tried to impart some useful advice, but like other devils, you continue to overuse your given talents in a negative way instead of shining a positive light.

Hopeful you as well as others riding your coat tails, will eventually grow tired of the childish antics and step into the light of maturity and self-awareness.