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In my opinion Ava's feed is either very slow or just crazy inaccurate against the "real" market. Intentionally??? Humm...riddle me this, I am Mr. Broker, I tell you if prices are outside the market I won't honor them, so I run me a slow feed, who says I can't be slow? Then when you trade in a fast market, you will always be outside so I can cancel if you are successful whether you are exploiting me or just trading in a fast market, either way my justification for cancelling your trade is there.....

The point is AVAFX's platform has the tools to prevent outside market positions.
In many cases me and my friends got 'pending order' or 'pair is unavailable for trading right now'(or something like that) if price really was outside market. These warnings and pending orders went off in matter of milliseconds, that means their platform is very fast and capable of preventing such positions.

Excuses like 'outside market prices' are insulting to traders with even average knowledge in forex trading and I really don't know what kind of regulatory body is controlling them if they let happen such obvious theft of hard earned money which took months to make and with such idiotic excuses.

That kind of moronic excuse can be used on every trader no matter the style of trading. And what is most ironic, they announce upcoming news in their platform half or one hour prior to happening and then when you trade around news time which they themselves advised you to do, they cancel your trade. This is misleading at best, if not fraud and attempted theft.

They canceled all trades eve ones that happen a year ago(whole trades not just, so called, 'difference in price'). But they didn't do or warn about anything until withdrawal, they even called me and said I was doing great and if I want to invest more!? That means that as long as money you earned is with them, at their disposal to invest off course, these trades are OK but when I wanted to withdraw, they 'found' 'outside market trades' exactly(to the cent!!??) in amount of my withdrawal. WTF!?

Oh and I DON'T use EA, I was using their order boxes or straddle, for very few trades around news time. So if they say I was trading illegal positions and outside market, they are my crime partner because they provided me with tools to do such 'illegal acts' as they say, ironic isn't it?

AVAFX is SCAM, period!
 
The point is AVAFX's platform has the tools to prevent outside market positions.
In many cases me and my friends got 'pending order' or 'pair is unavailable for trading right now'(or something like that) if price really was outside market. These warnings and pending orders went off in matter of milliseconds, that means their platform is very fast and capable of preventing such positions.

Excuses like 'outside market prices' are insulting to traders with even average knowledge in forex trading and I really don't know what kind of regulatory body is controlling them if they let happen such obvious theft of hard earned money which took months to make and with such idiotic excuses.

That kind of moronic excuse can be used on every trader no matter the style of trading. And what is most ironic, they announce upcoming news in their platform half or one hour prior to happening and then when you trade around news time which they themselves advised you to do, they cancel your trade. This is misleading at best, if not fraud and attempted theft.

They canceled all trades eve ones that happen a year ago(whole trades not just, so called, 'difference in price'). But they didn't do or warn about anything until withdrawal, they even called me and said I was doing great and if I want to invest more!? That means that as long as money you earned is with them, at their disposal to invest off course, these trades are OK but when I wanted to withdraw, they 'found' 'outside market trades' exactly(to the cent!!??) in amount of my withdrawal. WTF!?

Oh and I DON'T use EA, I was using their order boxes or straddle, for very few trades around news time. So if they say I was trading illegal positions and outside market, they are my crime partner because they provided me with tools to do such 'illegal acts' as they say, ironic isn't it?

AVAFX is SCAM, period!


Correct: if you entered only manual trades and they cancelled all your trades of one year, they could use that against any trader.

Questions:

1) If it was me, all my trades for one year could litterally mean thousands of trades. How many trades in your specific case ?

2) What is your trading style ? What is the average time you keep a position open ?

3) I m not familiar with their platform. Does the spread widens at news time ? By how much ? ( edit: I see their webpage says fixed spread )

4) Did you use an outside feed ?

5) I m starting to wonder if that " trading at news time " is the core of the problem.
 
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Correct: if you entered only manual trades and they cancelled all your trades of one year, they could use that against any trader.

Questions:

1) If it was me, all my trades for one year could litterally mean thousands of trades. How many trades in your specific case ?

2) What is your trading style ? What is the average time you keep a position open ?

3) I m not familiar with their platform. Does the spread widens at news time ? By how much ? ( edit: I see their webpage says fixed spread )

4) Did you use an outside feed ?

5) I m starting to wonder if that " trading at news time " is the core of the problem.

I made around 500 trades and average trade time was around one hour. Spread is fixed and I trade straddle or retrace method usually, but I also had long trades. I don't know what to do anymore, I know people who are news traders and got paid. It seems like they are having season of kicking off profitable traders...

But I'm seeing a lot of same complaints like mine against them lately. That means we are growing in number. I think it would be best to start collecting names and putting in complaint to authorities(local and irish), they can't refuse mass of 50 or more people their rights.

I hope we are loking to another 'FXCM' case. They had to pay 110 000 Eur of fine and their traders all the stolen profits!

I'm still willing to settle this dispute peacefully, but it seems they are completely unwilling to cooperate(they didn't reply my mails for three weeks now).
 
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I made around 500 trades and average trade time was around one hour. Spread is fixed and I trade straddle or retrace method usually, but I also had long trades. I don't know what to do anymore, I know people who are news traders and got paid. It seems like they are having season of kicking off profitable traders...

But I'm seeing a lot of same complaints like mine against them lately. That means we are growing in number. I think it would be best to start collecting names and putting in complaint to authorities(local and irish), they can't refuse mass of 50 or more people their rights.

I hope we are loking to another 'FXCM' case. They had to pay 110 000 Eur of fine and their traders all the stolen profits!

I'm still willing to settle this dispute peacefully, but it seems they are completely unwilling to cooperate.

I think we are really making progress here. You had a successful strategy of trading at news time and such strategy can work only with a broker that offers fixed spreads. With my own broker ( GoMarkets ) spreads widen so much at news time that trading like you do would be futile.

My opinion is that the broker is himself responsible for offering fixed spreads: it s part of their marketing material. You could have a very strong case if you opened and closed your trades manually without the help of any technology to exploit " bad ticks " or delays in their platform. I think their position will be to prove the opposite.

I will follow the case with the greatest interest
 
I think we are really making progress here. You had a successful strategy of trading at news time and such strategy can work only with a broker that offers fixed spreads. With my own broker ( GoMarkets ) spreads widen so much at news time that trading like you do would be futile.

My opinion is that the broker is himself responsible for offering fixed spreads: it s part of their marketing material. You could have a very strong case if you opened and closed your trades manually without the help of any technology to exploit " bad ticks " or delays in their platform. I think their position will be to prove the opposite.

I will follow the case with the greatest interest

I didn't have any help from EA's, my buy/sell orders were made purely by setting up order in their order boxes or clicking buy/seel button manually or straddle. So it was made with tools they provided in their platform and no modifications were made.

If they offer fixed spread and instant execution(claims from their marketing material), they should stand behind their claims otherwise they were misleading customers at very beginning of business relationship and I'm sure fines for that are huge!

Now they have 2-3 seconds lag on all entries so they figured out they cant keep promises made in their commercials. Fine with me but they cant claim they have instant execution anymore and certainly NOT punish traders by canceling history trades because they didn't use lag in their platform till now!
 
I didn't have any help from EA's, my buy/sell orders were made purely by setting up order in their order boxes or clicking buy/seel button manually or straddle. So it was made with tools they provided in their platform and no modifications were made.

If they offer fixed spread and instant execution(claims from their marketing material), they should stand behind their claims otherwise they were misleading customers at very beginning of business relationship and I'm sure fines for that are huge!

Now they have 2-3 seconds lag on all entries so they figured out they cant keep promises made in their commercials. Fine with me but they cant claim they have instant execution anymore and certainly NOT punish traders by canceling history trades because they didn't use lag in their platform till now!

Maybe they now have a lag because a group of traders leave them no choice between lag and....bankruptcy ? But a widening of the spread at news time is also a practical solution that is available. The way I see it, they need to do something before too many people understand and jump in the bandwagon.
 
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I made around 500 trades and average trade time was around one hour. Spread is fixed and I trade straddle or retrace method usually, but I also had long trades. I don't know what to do anymore, I know people who are news traders and got paid. It seems like they are having season of kicking off profitable traders...

But I'm seeing a lot of same complaints like mine against them lately. That means we are growing in number. I think it would be best to start collecting names and putting in complaint to authorities(local and irish), they can't refuse mass of 50 or more people their rights.

I hope we are loking to another 'FXCM' case. They had to pay 110 000 Eur of fine and their traders all the stolen profits!

I'm still willing to settle this dispute peacefully, but it seems they are completely unwilling to cooperate(they didn't reply my mails for three weeks now).

Well that is new, I have only seen Ava cancelling very short term trades, claiming arbitrage or system manipulation or blah blah. How do you cancel a trade that is an hour long and claim it is "outside the market"? Apparently you must match what Ava considers the "real" price (that you don't have access to, only Ava does) to the pip on both entry and exit or whoops, Ava has justification to cancel all trades you have ever done even with only one instance it seems. If you are with Ava you better try a withdrawal of more than your initial deposit soon....something is going on over there
 
Well that is new, I have only seen Ava cancelling very short term trades, claiming arbitrage or system manipulation or blah blah. How do you cancel a trade that is an hour long and claim it is "outside the market"? Apparently you must match what Ava considers the "real" price (that you don't have access to, only Ava does) to the pip on both entry and exit or whoops, Ava has justification to cancel all trades you have ever done even with only one instance it seems. If you are with Ava you better try a withdrawal of more than your initial deposit soon....something is going on over there

Vincam, I think you missed something. She used a straddle strategy. That would mean she would open one buy order and one sell order before news time. That can be 1 hour before the news. ( or 24 hours, who cares ? They cancel each other anyway ). What is important here is how those orders CLOSED ( and they ll both be 1 hour long ). Avafx maintains fixed spread and the ticker starts jumping up and down. That s when a 200 ms advantage is all-important.

As for the " real price " I already pointed out in the other thread that you can have it if you want. Just pay ActTrader to connect to their streaming SAS-70 feed in real time: that s the price a market maker like Avafx sees...and especially the price Avafx sees because the AvaTrader platform is the ActTrader platform renamed. You re now plugged to the same data feed. Then a certain mathematical algorithm has to take place before the market maker can post HIS price on his front desk. There is a minimum latency: you cant eliminate it. Then buy the full-fonctionality of the ActTrader suite and use ActDealer to mimic Avafx perfectly by setting the spread to the same value as they do on your own puter. There are other interesting functions in that software suite. I accuse nobody, but ActTrader was mentioned " out of the blue " by one claimant. It could be that downloading the Avafx platform makes it clear it s an ActTrader end user licence and nothing else of course.

Again, I m no tech genius: I simply see the possibilities here. There are talented people in the World who, maybe, can exploit a flaw by plugging to the same streaming feed the Avafx platform gets in it s back office. That software suite seems to have a lot of possibilities when I look at their marketing material.
 
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Vincam, I think you missed something. She used a straddle strategy. That would mean she would open one buy order and one sell order before news time. That can be 1 hour before the news. ( or 24 hours, who cares ? They cancel each other anyway ). What is important here is how those orders CLOSED ( and they ll both be 1 hour long ). Avafx maintains fixed spread and the ticker starts jumping up and down. That s when a 200 ms advantage is all-important.

As for the " real price " I already pointed out in the other thread that you can have it if you want. Just pay ActTrader to connect to their streaming SAS-70 feed in real time: that s the price a market maker like Avafx sees...and especially the price Avafx sees because the AvaTrader platform is the ActTrader platform renamed. You re now plugged to the same data feed. Then a certain mathematical algorithm has to take place before the market maker can post HIS price on his front desk. There is a minimum latency: you cant eliminate it. Then buy the full-fonctionality of the ActTrader suite and use ActDealer to mimic Avafx perfectly by setting the spread to the same value as they do on your own puter. There are other interesting functions in that software suite. I accuse nobody, but ActTrader was mentioned " out of the blue " by one claimant. It could be that downloading the Avafx platform makes it clear it s an ActTrader end user licence and nothing else of course.

Again, I m no tech genius: I simply see the possibilities here. There are talented people in the World who, maybe, can exploit a flaw by plugging to the same streaming feed the Avafx platform gets in it s back office. That software suite seems to have a lot of possibilities when I look at their marketing material.

I'm not sure I missed it, maybe FXDuchess can elaborate because she said a few posts back that very few of the trades were during news time. I'm with you on the straddle but man you have a fast mouse if you can exploit a 200ms advantage and be able to close both those trades manually when your advantage presented itself.

You know way more than me about Ava gets their feed :) We got some super smart programming cookies on here if they can do what you are saying can be done. In any case, as Ava, why not just requote, widen the spread, disable the platform at news time, verify the trade was valid a few minutes after it closed, lots of ways to close this flaw if it exists and yet they don't do it. My question is why? Why would you allow a flaw in your system to be exploited when you could eliminate it with safeguards? The only explaination I can see is if you leave the flaw exploitable then you can always claim that every successful trader is exploiting it and cancel their trades.
 
I'm not sure I missed it, maybe FXDuchess can elaborate because she said a few posts back that very few of the trades were during news time. I'm with you on the straddle but man you have a fast mouse if you can exploit a 200ms advantage and be able to close both those trades manually when your advantage presented itself.

You know way more than me about Ava gets their feed :) We got some super smart programming cookies on here if they can do what you are saying can be done. In any case, as Ava, why not just requote, widen the spread, disable the platform at news time, verify the trade was valid a few minutes after it closed, lots of ways to close this flaw if it exists and yet they don't do it. My question is why? Why would you allow a flaw in your system to be exploited when you could eliminate it with safeguards? The only explaination I can see is if you leave the flaw exploitable then you can always claim that every successful trader is exploiting it and cancel their trades.

What they are doing is they now have a lag in their execution ( slippage ) as Dutchess said. Before these stories started with these traders, they had instant execution. With a lag, there s nothing you can do. Even if you know the immediate future ( 1/5th of a second away), you cant use the info.
For the "fast mouse ", yes they say they trade manually. If it s the truth, they win with the regulators. If it s not the truth, they have a bad strategy because Avafx could prove deception very easily. In fact, I have some reason to doubt their manual trading even without the technology Avafx have at their disposal.
 
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