Beware of Feibel Trading

Alkarin

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Just wanted to post here my experience as a customer, so other people can be more careful when dealing with course vendors. I should have known better because I am not a noob with this stuff. If you don´t believe me I can gladly post here proof of purchase (paypal receipt).

Months ago I bought two courses at Feibel trading: Climactic Behavior and Feather´s Weight. Very Very expensive courses for what they are (349 GBP each = US$450!!!! for a couple of videos), but they were being marketed as "exclusive strategies" so I thought to check it out, I like to see other people using the same method I use for trading to check out for some nuance that can improve my trading.

Climactic Behavior was the worst money grab. The "course" is a copy of Gavin Holmes (tradeguider) explanation of climactic bars, which is free by the way (lots of free seminars on youtube, same concept is found for free on the book "Master the Markets" by Tom Williams, and Gavin book "Trading In The Shadow Of Smart Money"). You guys familiar with VSA know Gavin´s "trigger numbers" approach, he extends lines from the high, low and close of climactic bars and then check for reactions at those levels (upthrusts, springs, no supply, no demand at those levels to initiate a trade). That is exactly what the climactic behavior "course" is, a carbon copy. When I finished watching this one I was already very pissed off for burning US$450.

Then the Feather´s Weight course is nothing more than a low volume pullback trade at structure (even though he will say it isn´t), very bread and butter VSA trade that any decent VSA trader will have in his book (concept also available in master the markets book, trading in the shadow of smart money book, tradeguider youtube seminars, Dr. Gary Dayton webinars), he just added some filters which in fact make you miss good trades. So you can imagine how stupid I was feeling for burning 700 pounds (US$903 !!!) in both "courses", which are marketed as "exclusive strategies", a big lie. It is free knowledge in an expensive product packaging. You know those guys who read other people´s books and watch their courses, then copy the stuff to create "their" courses? It is what Feibel did, he just gave a different name to it, but it is the same thing - common course vendor practice to fool you.

I ended up feeling scammed, because I had made crystal clear for him before purchasing the material (screenshot attached) that I Wasn´t a noob, wasn´t looking for basic stuff, that I was a VSA specialist (he was trying to push his other courses on me ). So he knew my level of expertise, but decided to remain quiet to make a quick buck: that is how the course sellers make money, selling courses, not with trading. He should have said: "look, you gonna waste your money, at your level you won´t learn anything from those videos".

The last straw was a couple of days ago, it is what made me come here instead of seating here quiet, "swallowing" all this without a complaint. Let me explain: 5 months ago, after the purchase, I received an email from Feibel trading saying that he was putting together youtube videos showing examples of this "Feather´s Weight" trade, which obviously were extra complementary material for the course. Ok, I never received those youtube links, then 10 days ago I remembered it, then sent an email asking for the links, no reply (that is how Feibel behaves, they just ignore you until you have sent a couple of emails of pressure). Today I got a reply saying that the videos are restricted, that only contributors can access the videos (so he invented a new rule now for you to access the extra material from the course). So not only I gave him US$900, but If I Wanna watch complementary examples I have to produce free material for him. That is the pinnacle of absurd and slap in the face.

So I don´t think I will be doing business again with them, the courses seems to be a blatant copy of tradeguider, Dr. Gary Dayton and David Weis material combined with pharmacy price tag, in a shiny package. I can see in his site now that he even copied Dr. Gary´s Deep Practice sessions (he calls Effective Habitual Practice), I mean it is a carbon copy, but he will say he was "influenced" by them lol. I don´t know how Dr. Gary Dayton haven´t sued him yet for this.


Always be careful with course vendors guys, the safest way to get a course is by putting together a group and doing GB, this way the damage to your pocket will be small, given the high probability of being scammed by them.


And look how crazy this guy is, he impersonates different people in his emails, he pretends to be customer service, then CEO, he is also the teacher, etc... It is a one man company trying to pass the image of a big firm with lots of employees.

Stay safe
 

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FxMaster

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Just wanted to post here my experience as a customer, so other people can be more careful when dealing with course vendors. I should have known better because I am not a noob with this stuff. If you don´t believe me I can gladly post here proof of purchase (paypal receipt).

Months ago I bought two courses at Feibel trading: Climactic Behavior and Feather´s Weight. Very Very expensive courses for what they are (349 GBP each = US$450!!!! for a couple of videos), but they were being marketed as "exclusive strategies" so I thought to check it out, I like to see other people using the same method I use for trading to check out for some nuance that can improve my trading.

Climactic Behavior was the worst money grab. The "course" is a copy of Gavin Holmes (tradeguider) explanation of climactic bars, which is free by the way (lots of free seminars on youtube, same concept is found for free on the book "Master the Markets" by Tom Williams, and Gavin book "Trading In The Shadow Of Smart Money"). You guys familiar with VSA know Gavin´s "trigger numbers" approach, he extends lines from the high, low and close of climactic bars and then check for reactions at those levels (upthrusts, springs, no supply, no demand at those levels to initiate a trade). That is exactly what the climactic behavior "course" is, a carbon copy. When I finished watching this one I was already very pissed off for burning US$450.

Then the Feather´s Weight course is nothing more than a low volume pullback trade at structure (even though he will say it isn´t), very bread and butter VSA trade that any decent VSA trader will have in his book (concept also available in master the markets book, trading in the shadow of smart money book, tradeguider youtube seminars, Dr. Gary Dayton webinars), he just added some filters which in fact make you miss good trades. So you can imagine how stupid I was feeling for burning 700 pounds (US$903 !!!) in both "courses", which are marketed as "exclusive strategies", a big lie. It is free knowledge in an expensive product packaging. You know those guys who read other people´s books and watch their courses, then copy the stuff to create "their" courses? It is what Feibel did, he just gave a different name to it, but it is the same thing - common course vendor practice to fool you.

I ended up feeling scammed, because I had made crystal clear for him before purchasing the material (screenshot attached) that I Wasn´t a noob, wasn´t looking for basic stuff, that I was a VSA specialist (he was trying to push his other courses on me ). So he knew my level of expertise, but decided to remain quiet to make a quick buck: that is how the course sellers make money, selling courses, not with trading. He should have said: "look, you gonna waste your money, at your level you won´t learn anything from those videos".

The last straw was a couple of days ago, it is what made me come here instead of seating here quiet, "swallowing" all this without a complaint. Let me explain: 5 months ago, after the purchase, I received an email from Feibel trading saying that he was putting together youtube videos showing examples of this "Feather´s Weight" trade, which obviously were extra complementary material for the course. Ok, I never received those youtube links, then 10 days ago I remembered it, then sent an email asking for the links, no reply (that is how Feibel behaves, they just ignore you until you have sent a couple of emails of pressure). Today I got a reply saying that the videos are restricted, that only contributors can access the videos (so he invented a new rule now for you to access the extra material from the course). So not only I gave him US$900, but If I Wanna watch complementary examples I have to produce free material for him. That is the pinnacle of absurd and slap in the face.

So I don´t think I will be doing business again with them, the courses seems to be a blatant copy of tradeguider, Dr. Gary Dayton and David Weis material combined with pharmacy price tag, in a shiny package. I can see in his site now that he even copied Dr. Gary´s Deep Practice sessions (he calls Effective Habitual Practice), I mean it is a carbon copy, but he will say he was "influenced" by them lol. I don´t know how Dr. Gary Dayton haven´t sued him yet for this.


Always be careful with course vendors guys, the safest way to get a course is by putting together a group and doing GB, this way the damage to your pocket will be small, given the high probability of being scammed by them.


And look how crazy this guy is, he impersonates different people in his emails, he pretends to be customer service, then CEO, he is also the teacher, etc... It is a one man company trying to pass the image of a big firm with lots of employees.

Stay safe
Thanks for the information and how you sent the payment?
Any luck with chargeback?
 

Alkarin

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@FxMaster

Was via paypal, but I had to send the money via wire transfer to a friend in germany to buy it for me, because paypal UK was not accepting payments from paypal brasil. But it is too late for refund now, the thing is that I should have done it earlier instead of "swallowing" the scam. Right now what is more important is warning people. US$1000 is not a big deal compared with what I make with trading, but still, a scam is scam, no matter the value. I mean, if I convert to my currency it is because 1 dollar is worth 5 in my currency, for people not used to this kind of money it is indeed very very expensive, with the money he scammed from me you could have paid for some months of college here in brasil. It is way more than a lot of people earn per month here, as salary.
 

FxMaster

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@FxMaster

Was via paypal, but I had to send the money via wire transfer to a friend in germany to buy it for me, because paypal UK was not accepting payments from paypal brasil. But it is too late for refund now, the thing is that I should have done it earlier instead of "swallowing" the scam. Right now what is more important is warning people. US$1000 is not a big deal compared with what I make with trading, but still, a scam is scam, no matter the value. I mean, if I convert to my currency it is because 1 dollar is worth 5 in my currency, for people not used to this kind of money it is indeed very very expensive, with the money he scammed from me you could have paid for some months of college here in brasil. It is way more than a lot of people earn per month here, as salary.
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Alkarin

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If he comes here he will say the same thing in another forum when I asked for a refund: will say I am a Troll. He really does not give a crap. Once scammers got your money, it is gone.
 

Alkarin

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Good news, Feibel has just been banned from futures.io forum where he was trying to lure people to his crap. One less forum for him try and scam people.
 

OKTiger23

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Just wanted to post here my experience as a customer, so other people can be more careful when dealing with course vendors. I should have known better because I am not a noob with this stuff. If you don´t believe me I can gladly post here proof of purchase (paypal receipt).

Months ago I bought two courses at Feibel trading: Climactic Behavior and Feather´s Weight. Very Very expensive courses for what they are (349 GBP each = US$450!!!! for a couple of videos), but they were being marketed as "exclusive strategies" so I thought to check it out, I like to see other people using the same method I use for trading to check out for some nuance that can improve my trading.

Climactic Behavior was the worst money grab. The "course" is a copy of Gavin Holmes (tradeguider) explanation of climactic bars, which is free by the way (lots of free seminars on youtube, same concept is found for free on the book "Master the Markets" by Tom Williams, and Gavin book "Trading In The Shadow Of Smart Money"). You guys familiar with VSA know Gavin´s "trigger numbers" approach, he extends lines from the high, low and close of climactic bars and then check for reactions at those levels (upthrusts, springs, no supply, no demand at those levels to initiate a trade). That is exactly what the climactic behavior "course" is, a carbon copy. When I finished watching this one I was already very pissed off for burning US$450.

Then the Feather´s Weight course is nothing more than a low volume pullback trade at structure (even though he will say it isn´t), very bread and butter VSA trade that any decent VSA trader will have in his book (concept also available in master the markets book, trading in the shadow of smart money book, tradeguider youtube seminars, Dr. Gary Dayton webinars), he just added some filters which in fact make you miss good trades. So you can imagine how stupid I was feeling for burning 700 pounds (US$903 !!!) in both "courses", which are marketed as "exclusive strategies", a big lie. It is free knowledge in an expensive product packaging. You know those guys who read other people´s books and watch their courses, then copy the stuff to create "their" courses? It is what Feibel did, he just gave a different name to it, but it is the same thing - common course vendor practice to fool you.

I ended up feeling scammed, because I had made crystal clear for him before purchasing the material (screenshot attached) that I Wasn´t a noob, wasn´t looking for basic stuff, that I was a VSA specialist (he was trying to push his other courses on me ). So he knew my level of expertise, but decided to remain quiet to make a quick buck: that is how the course sellers make money, selling courses, not with trading. He should have said: "look, you gonna waste your money, at your level you won´t learn anything from those videos".

The last straw was a couple of days ago, it is what made me come here instead of seating here quiet, "swallowing" all this without a complaint. Let me explain: 5 months ago, after the purchase, I received an email from Feibel trading saying that he was putting together youtube videos showing examples of this "Feather´s Weight" trade, which obviously were extra complementary material for the course. Ok, I never received those youtube links, then 10 days ago I remembered it, then sent an email asking for the links, no reply (that is how Feibel behaves, they just ignore you until you have sent a couple of emails of pressure). Today I got a reply saying that the videos are restricted, that only contributors can access the videos (so he invented a new rule now for you to access the extra material from the course). So not only I gave him US$900, but If I Wanna watch complementary examples I have to produce free material for him. That is the pinnacle of absurd and slap in the face.

So I don´t think I will be doing business again with them, the courses seems to be a blatant copy of tradeguider, Dr. Gary Dayton and David Weis material combined with pharmacy price tag, in a shiny package. I can see in his site now that he even copied Dr. Gary´s Deep Practice sessions (he calls Effective Habitual Practice), I mean it is a carbon copy, but he will say he was "influenced" by them lol. I don´t know how Dr. Gary Dayton haven´t sued him yet for this.


Always be careful with course vendors guys, the safest way to get a course is by putting together a group and doing GB, this way the damage to your pocket will be small, given the high probability of being scammed by them.


And look how crazy this guy is, he impersonates different people in his emails, he pretends to be customer service, then CEO, he is also the teacher, etc... It is a one man company trying to pass the image of a big firm with lots of employees.

Stay safe
I came across this post during a Google search, and as a student of Feibel Trading I feel inclined to comment.

I don't know the OP at all, but have been a student at Feibel Trading for over a year now. I initially purchased their Logical Price Action Course, The Ultimate Guide to Springs and Upthrusts, as well as Climactic Behavior. It helped my understanding of trading and Wyckoffian/VSA trading immensely.

Later, I purchased the Trader Mentoring Solution One Program, and Feibel Trading has been nothing but outstanding in our sessions. There is no time rush, and they are willing to take "as long as it takes" for a student to grasp a concept before moving on. My growth as a trader from day one to now is incomparable.

Feibel Trading is a Wyckoffian & VSA "base". Of course the material is similar to VSA, Dayton, Weis, etc - that's at the root of his style, and he is very good at it. That is why he has been invited to lead a Tape Reading Seminar with Wyckoff Analytics, along with David Weis and Gary Fullett.

I am also a member of his Effective Habitual Practice (EHP) bary-by-bar practice sessions. I have not done "Deep Practice" with Gary Dayton, but to say that Dayton should sue a trader for leading a practice session is a bit bizarre - as many coaches do this same thing.

The OP sounds like he spent a few hundred bucks/pounds, and either didn't like or didn't understand what he got - perhaps expected more or some "holy grail", I can't say.

However, I have had nothing but a good experience as a part of the Feibel team and will continue to be involved with them moving forward as I seek to transition to a full-time trader.

Again, I felt a different perspective was necessary - I do not normally post here.

Cheers.
 

Alkarin

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"I don't know the OP at all, but have been a student at Feibel Trading for over a year now. I initially purchased their Logical Price Action Course, The Ultimate Guide to Springs and Upthrusts, as well as Climactic Behavior. It helped my understanding of trading and Wyckoffian/VSA trading immensely."

Let´s pretend for a minute that this is real. I would say I am very sorry for you for spending a small fortune to learn something that is completely free, and if you don´t have the capacity to read a book, interpret the text and understand the principles, you are fooling yourself if you think you can understand a chart and trade markets.

"Later, I purchased the Trader Mentoring Solution One Program"

This sounds so forced and fake... You spent almost 5K in his stuff and then decided to spend another 10K or so for the mentoring solution, because not only you couldn´t read a book and understand video courses, but you needed someone to grab you by the hand to make you understand it lol... Ok. VSA is not rocket science, there are a couple of principles that are not complicated, everything very simple. You are forcing so much that is cringe worthy. Seriously, if someone needed all that to understand a very simple trading approach/concept, trading definitely isn´t for this kind of person.
 

Alkarin

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LOL look at this guy, as if it isn´t obvious that Feibel came here, created a fake account to make this post.

"I came across this post after a google search" lol really? What are you doing googling "Feibel scam" if you are already "a student for more than a year"... give me a break.

He got invited there because they didn´t get Gary Dayton, he didn´t wanna do it, and they almost did not get David Weis. I even spoke on the phone with Roman Bogomazov about Feibel, how he scammed me and his behavior afterwards. I warned them that they were hosting a scammer. Roman said he would never had done what Feibel did.

"The OP sounds like he spent a few hundred bucks/pounds, and either didn't like or didn't understand what he got - perhaps expected more or some "holy grail", I can't say."

You are playing the crazy dumb card now, in the OP is crystal what happened, explained in detail, there is documental proof, it is clear in the image attached the conversation I had BEFORE I made the purchase trying to make sure the material wasn´t for noobs, was indeed something original and clever. He was well aware that I was a specialist in VSA, and he just kept quiet to pocket the money and sell free knowledge marketed as "exclusive strategy" lol, everything copied blatantly from Tom Williams and Gavin Holmes books.

Even Dr. Gary is aware of Feibel and doesn t know what to do, I guess an international law suit is expensive, and the law is a bit nebulous in this area, copycats get away easily by changing the name of things and a little parameter here and there to call it "their own". So I can how he might be worried about spending a lot of money and stressing out when the copycat has a good chance to get away with it.

The expertise of this guy called William is not trading or teaching, it is marketing and selling. It is how those hustlers make their money. This is a guy who could make a profit selling horse s*** he scooped from the streets. He would put it in a nice fancy bag and write "exclusive fertilizer made with proprietary formula, organic material produced by grass fed live stock"
 

Alkarin

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One last thing William: you chose the wrong guy to scam, I will follow your steps, I am watching you like a hawk, and whatever you are up to, I will be there to expose your scam.

Another forum you guys have to careful with is called Trade2Win, I got banned from there because I was exposing Feibel, something dodgy going on there. I had posted the same scam warning and the moderators were deleting my posts about it, to protect him. Don´t trust a place that turns a blind eye to scammers and protect them, Feibel runs the same scheme there (same that he was running at futures.io, from where he got banned) of posting bait disguised as help, Don´t fall for that.
 
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