[FOREX] Beware - Roger Goh Kok Keong

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RGoh

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The facts

First and foremost, I do not need to explain how we run our business; unfortunately there seem to be some unhappy ex-staff trying to get even after we freeze the operations of the Indonesian company (that we had invested in) due to irregularities and is under inquiry from the head office.

Reference to you being an investor, I had mentioned before that I DO NOT know you or any of your friends and I have never met anyone of you. You and your friends HAVE NOT invested any monies with me or in my companies.
How can I sign the Statement of Intent if we have not met each other and we are not doing any business together?

Mr X used to be a marketing staff of the Indonesian company and his job is to market the education program to help the client learn Forex trading before they invest their money. He is not supposed to manage your trading account, however he did attend the education program and was trading well.

To clarify, we do not manage any client's trading account but we do provide guidelines occasionally, however it's the account owner that will decide to take or not to take our guidelines for his trades.

I believe Mr X would have shown you and your friends his trading records; you and your friends in return trusted him with your monies after seeing the potential returns. That's why you invested your money in a trading account under your friend's name which is a fact. I also believe the account was doing well in the 1st month, unfortunately the subsequent months seem to spiral down and probably started to look for scapegoat for excuses and to get back your money.

I must say your plot or scheme is such a cheap-shot! You put a Rp6000(appr. US60 cents) stamp on a letter to make it looked legal and in the letter you are asking for the return of Rp120mil(appr. US$12k). Now, who is the real cheater?

As for JF Lennon, we could not agree on certain business terms and conditions and we went our separate ways. Fyi it's all business, nothing personal.
 

Mr. A

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First and foremost, I do not need to explain how we run our business; unfortunately there seem to be some unhappy ex-staff trying to get even after we freeze the operations of the Indonesian company (that we had invested in) due to irregularities and is under inquiry from the head office.

Reference to you being an investor, I had mentioned before that I DO NOT know you or any of your friends and I have never met anyone of you. You and your friends HAVE NOT invested any monies with me or in my companies.
How can I sign the Statement of Intent if we have not met each other and we are not doing any business together?

Mr X used to be a marketing staff of the Indonesian company and his job is to market the education program to help the client learn Forex trading before they invest their money. He is not supposed to manage your trading account, however he did attend the education program and was trading well.

To clarify, we do not manage any client's trading account but we do provide guidelines occasionally, however it's the account owner that will decide to take or not to take our guidelines for his trades.

I believe Mr X would have shown you and your friends his trading records; you and your friends in return trusted him with your monies after seeing the potential returns. That's why you invested your money in a trading account under your friend's name which is a fact. I also believe the account was doing well in the 1st month, unfortunately the subsequent months seem to spiral down and probably started to look for scapegoat for excuses and to get back your money.

I must say your plot or scheme is such a cheap-shot! You put a Rp6000(appr. US60 cents) stamp on a letter to make it looked legal and in the letter you are asking for the return of Rp120mil(appr. US$12k). Now, who is the real cheater?

As for JF Lennon, we could not agree on certain business terms and conditions and we went our separate ways. Fyi it's all business, nothing personal.
First and foremost, I do not need to explain how we run our business; unfortunately there seem to be some unhappy ex-staff trying to get even after we freeze the operations of the Indonesian company (that we had invested in) due to irregularities and is under inquiry from the head office. >>> because again Roger, you did not settle your obligations.. You did not pay your employees' salaries.. Use your tiny brain why people are chasing after you.. and btw, you did not freeze the operation, but you did just run away.. If you deny, come to Jakarta and meet your ex-employees...

You signed the statement of intent through Mr. X. Mr. X gave you the form and you signed it in front of him.. again i suggest why don't you scan your "real" signature and post it here..

To clarify, we do not manage any client's trading account but we do provide guidelines occasionally, however it's the account owner that will decide to take or not to take our guidelines for his trades. >>> tell that to your other clients who you made the trades and come to Jakarta.. see if you have anything left if they see you here..

I must say your plot or scheme is such a cheap-shot! You put a Rp6000(appr. US60 cents) stamp on a letter to make it looked legal and in the letter you are asking for the return of Rp120mil(appr. US$12k). Now, who is the real cheater? >>> Are you underestimating the Rp 6000 stamp duty? Do not let your statement be an offense to the Indonesian Law.. You do not want this matter to spread as a national offense.. It is legal and once it is proven, you will get a lot of penalties for making a lot of bull****s..

As to JFLennon, why don't you check the website? You still owe them money, what is your excuse? Just ran away? Come to JFLennon's office to prove that! Why don't you reply to the invitations from the lawyers? And also, taking JFLennon's materials and using them for your own benefit were not ethical and shameful. And now, who is the cheater???

And please also clarify your excuse that you could not access your hotmail account. I have emails forwarded from third parties (in which you still used that account to reply emails) that can be used as evidence if you keep denying and that will put you in shame if I publish them.
 

Ms KPOH

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Questions to Mr A n Roger

I dono know anyone here but i am a victim of forex scam, i only have myself to blame. Rationally after reading this thread, i have few questions for Mr A:

1) Since you are the investor, did Roger sign the letter in front of you, other investor and witness?

2) If Yes, you can take out legal action against Roger and loser will pay for legal fee (part of victim's claim).

3) If No, could it possibly that your "friend" Mr X fake it and lied to you because he can trade your money? It seems anyone can easily fake the letter. And the US60 cent stamp is not a legal way to officiate the doc. (I know as i worked in legal firm in Jakarta before)

4) Its seems you should go after Mr. X rather then Roger as Mr. X is the actual person trade your money, regardless he received instruction from Roger or not as you have no proof that Roger instructed him, its purely your guess and from Mr. X. Unless Mr. X can show you proof that its fro Roger's instruction for every trade.

5) Where is Mr X? why he lose your money and pushing to others and you simply choose to believe Mr X totally? (i.e if my son failed the exam can he blame his teacher? Unless his exercise book show his teacher keep teaching him the wrong way)

6)If Roger really use JF Lenon material, Why JF Lenon not taking legal action against him for copyrights? anyway, this is not the topic to discuss here, as this is between Roger n JF Lenon.

7) As for Roger, why did you agree to take over the account to trade if you not involve in the first place? Since you agreed to make good, do you have any proof that you have done your best to salvage the account?
 

vincam

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Mr A. can you get Mr. X in here? It seems like him and Roger need to talk it out, Roger says he was not authorized to do what he was doing and obviously Mr. X believes he was and Mr. X obtained the signed duty from Roger, I'm not sure you'll get anywhere with Roger till those two sort out who did what.....
 

Mr. A

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I dono know anyone here but i am a victim of forex scam, i only have myself to blame. Rationally after reading this thread, i have few questions for Mr A:

1) Since you are the investor, did Roger sign the letter in front of you, other investor and witness?

2) If Yes, you can take out legal action against Roger and loser will pay for legal fee (part of victim's claim).

3) If No, could it possibly that your "friend" Mr X fake it and lied to you because he can trade your money? It seems anyone can easily fake the letter. And the US60 cent stamp is not a legal way to officiate the doc. (I know as i worked in legal firm in Jakarta before)

4) Its seems you should go after Mr. X rather then Roger as Mr. X is the actual person trade your money, regardless he received instruction from Roger or not as you have no proof that Roger instructed him, its purely your guess and from Mr. X. Unless Mr. X can show you proof that its fro Roger's instruction for every trade.

5) Where is Mr X? why he lose your money and pushing to others and you simply choose to believe Mr X totally? (i.e if my son failed the exam can he blame his teacher? Unless his exercise book show his teacher keep teaching him the wrong way)

6)If Roger really use JF Lenon material, Why JF Lenon not taking legal action against him for copyrights? anyway, this is not the topic to discuss here, as this is between Roger n JF Lenon.

7) As for Roger, why did you agree to take over the account to trade if you not involve in the first place? Since you agreed to make good, do you have any proof that you have done your best to salvage the account?
Before I answer your questions Ms KPOH, I see that you just joined this forum Jan 2011. I do not know if you have read the whole story in the first page.

1) Since you are the investor, did Roger sign the letter in front of you, other investor and witness?

There were 3 investors chipped in the money. Roger kept making excuses he was busy and could not meet us in Jakarta when we pushed him to sign the Statement of Intent Letter. We then asked Mr. X, who worked for him, and have Roger Goh signed the paper.

2) If Yes, you can take out legal action against Roger and loser will pay for legal fee (part of victim's claim).

Refer to answer in point 1.

3) If No, could it possibly that your "friend" Mr X fake it and lied to you because he can trade your money? It seems anyone can easily fake the letter. And the US60 cent stamp is not a legal way to officiate the doc. (I know as i worked in legal firm in Jakarta before)

I would say Mr. X will not lie to us because we also have email communications with Roger through his hotmail account (in which Roger denied that it was not he, who replied from that account).

The conversation has approved that Roger signed the paper and he intended to return us the money.

Are you sure on your last statement? I am working for a tax consultant company now and what you have written is a vice versa.

4) Its seems you should go after Mr. X rather then Roger as Mr. X is the actual person trade your money, regardless he received instruction from Roger or not as you have no proof that Roger instructed him, its purely your guess and from Mr. X. Unless Mr. X can show you proof that its fro Roger's instruction for every trade.

I will let Mr. X to answer your questions. I have sent him the link of this forum.

5) Where is Mr X? why he lose your money and pushing to others and you simply choose to believe Mr X totally? (i.e if my son failed the exam can he blame his teacher? Unless his exercise book show his teacher keep teaching him the wrong way)

Refer to answer no. 4.

6)If Roger really use JF Lenon material, Why JF Lenon not taking legal action against him for copyrights? anyway, this is not the topic to discuss here, as this is between Roger n JF Lenon.

JFLennon has taken legal action but Roger never replied the invitations from the lawyers. So who has ran away from the problem?

7) As for Roger, why did you agree to take over the account to trade if you not involve in the first place? Since you agreed to make good, do you have any proof that you have done your best to salvage the account?

Because Roger was so arrogant that by using his out-of-fashion strategy from JFLennon, he could win. Unfortunately, the market has made him like a moron.

Take it this way, I made a conversation with JFLennon's top executive and we both summarize Roger is a real scammer. Enough said, if he is dare to prove he is innocent, why doesn't he contact JFLennon and speak to the CEO? It is just one call away..

Mr A. can you get Mr. X in here? It seems like him and Roger need to talk it out, Roger says he was not authorized to do what he was doing and obviously Mr. X believes he was and Mr. X obtained the signed duty from Roger, I'm not sure you'll get anywhere with Roger till those two sort out who did what.....
Yes, I am trying to get him into this forum.. Btw, Roger never replied emails from his 3gcapitalgroup account though I surely know he has Blackberry connection in which the emails I sent are directly pushed to his handheld.

He deliberately deactivated his hotmail and twitter account to erase the evidences.
 

Pharaoh

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Paging Mr. X!

It looks like this really can't go anywhere without him.

BTW - Ms KPOH, Those were some pretty good questions for a brand new member.
 

RGoh

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The facts

Dear all
I have been trying hard to figure out what is this Andi Kieputera (Mr A) is trying to do, as I probe further I found some interesting facts as follows:
- Andi is NOT any of the signatories in the Statement of Intent, so he is totally irrelevant to this letter. Although he claimed he is one of the investor, honestly, I have my doubt now.
- Andi had shown to have exceptional computer/Internet skill as he is able to collect a lot of information about me, my guess is through the Internet.
- Andi had posted in other forum to make me looked bad for his benefit.

As I read the last statement of the 2nd para on his 1st posting, quote "...the objective of this posting is I want my money......", the picture became even more clearer.

Andi, my assumption is you are the mastermind and schemer of this whole deal. Why don't you come out clean and tell us how many % of the US$12k you will be getting if you managed to pull this through?

Let's illustrate, you mentioned that you are working in a tax consultant company probably earning about Rp5mil a month. From this deal you may have agreed to have 50% of the US$12k if successful, you just made a 12 month bonus!! Pretty cool right? However if this issue turns bad, you walked away scot-free because your name was not anywhere in the letter.

As you are irrelevant to this issue, I reserve my rights whether to answer any of your queries.

As for Mr X, why don't you print out the account history of that trading account and posted it here? So that members in this forum who are traders will be able to see how it gone wrong?

To JF Lennon, if you are reading this, be careful with this Andi. You could be his next target.

To Mr KPOH, referring to your qustn(7). I got Andi's email in my company's domain mailbox on 25Dec 2010 and I duly replied him on the 28Dec. Any conversations before that date was his conversation with a hotmail account that I admit was sabotaged. I have no idea who had been communicating with them. I did the logical thing, with the help of Microsoft support after finding out what Andi had posted in the forum, to close the account so as to deter anyone sabotaging it and cause further damage to me.
 

Mr. A

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Dear all
I have been trying hard to figure out what is this Andi Kieputera (Mr A) is trying to do, as I probe further I found some interesting facts as follows:
- Andi is NOT any of the signatories in the Statement of Intent, so he is totally irrelevant to this letter. Although he claimed he is one of the investor, honestly, I have my doubt now.
- Andi had shown to have exceptional computer/Internet skill as he is able to collect a lot of information about me, my guess is through the Internet.
- Andi had posted in other forum to make me looked bad for his benefit.

As I read the last statement of the 2nd para on his 1st posting, quote "...the objective of this posting is I want my money......", the picture became even more clearer.

Andi, my assumption is you are the mastermind and schemer of this whole deal. Why don't you come out clean and tell us how many % of the US$12k you will be getting if you managed to pull this through?

Let's illustrate, you mentioned that you are working in a tax consultant company probably earning about Rp5mil a month. From this deal you may have agreed to have 50% of the US$12k if successful, you just made a 12 month bonus!! Pretty cool right? However if this issue turns bad, you walked away scot-free because your name was not anywhere in the letter.

As you are irrelevant to this issue, I reserve my rights whether to answer any of your queries.

As for Mr X, why don't you print out the account history of that trading account and posted it here? So that members in this forum who are traders will be able to see how it gone wrong?

To JF Lennon, if you are reading this, be careful with this Andi. You could be his next target.

To Mr KPOH, referring to your qustn(7). I got Andi's email in my company's domain mailbox on 25Dec 2010 and I duly replied him on the 28Dec. Any conversations before that date was his conversation with a hotmail account that I admit was sabotaged. I have no idea who had been communicating with them. I did the logical thing, with the help of Microsoft support after finding out what Andi had posted in the forum, to close the account so as to deter anyone sabotaging it and cause further damage to me.
Roger, you are out of track.

The statement of intent was signed by YOU, Mr. E (1st investor) and a witness. My name is not on the letter because the trading account was under Mr. E's name.

Mr. E, I, and other investors have separate agreement that is not published here and I do not think it is necessary to be published.

Not much money actually what I invested and what you have promised to return.. But seeing you keep denying on the facts, make me really want to blow up the issues so others won't get cheated by you.

"As you are irrelevant to this issue, I reserve my rights whether to answer any of your queries."
are you sure you want to answer the questions if Mr. E is really here? Of course you would again deny.. typical you, is it?

To JF Lennon, if you are reading this, be careful with this Andi. You could be his next target.
Have you contacted JFLennon?? Don't get off the track Roger.. Contact them to show your good faith.. They are looking for you..

To Mr KPOH, referring to your qustn(7). I got Andi's email in my company's domain mailbox on 25Dec 2010 and I duly replied him on the 28Dec.
Wrong. I sent you an email to both your 3gcapitalgroup and hotmail on 23 November 2010, yet you replied from hotmail. If you really cannot access your hotmail account far before you replied to Mr. E, why don't you take the action to report to hotmail?
Weird isn't it?
 

Ms KPOH

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To Mr. A

Well, from what i read so far, and with my years of experience in legal firm (sorry cant tell the years of working as it will reveal my age, OMG, im old enough to give advise here..), There is totally no valid legal case against Roger for few reasons;

1) You and your silent investors did not PERSONALLY hand over the money to Roger or witness Roger trade your account.

2) You and your silent investors did not PERSONALLY witness Roger signing the letter of intent. He can simply deny the letter (which could be fake signature, my 10 yrs old son can also fake Mr Obama signature too.. ops.. hope you guys cant guess my age).

3)You should know one of the correct way is to get letter notarize by public notary with proper stamp n seal. Otherwise, any private agreement between parties subject for arbitration n cant use as a legal document.

4) You also have no evident to prove that so called Roger's hotmail belongs to him, (i have emm... 10 over hotmail accounts and few yahoo n gmail accounts too..opps, i use it mainly to play FB games..keke), so it could be true that Mr.X created the account or like what Roger said, being hacked.

5) I suspect you being play out by your 'friend' Mr. X. (Hate to say this, friends cannot be trusted nowadays). You should really go after Mr. X who is the only one communicate with you and trade your money and tell you all the story of letter, forex and Roger (Roger could be guilty or could be innocent in this case but Mr X is confirm GUILTY, as he planned all this and traded your money and now still no hear from him, run away??

6) As for Roger, if you want to continue do business in Indonesia, you better obey local law, you need to have license from authority in order to handle investor's money.

In conclusion, Your Honor, this case have no concrete evidence against the subject Roger, Mr A would need to have valid evidence before proceed his claims.. keke.. case close for now, lets move to next scam thread...
 
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