Dear all who are kind enough to generously contribute into this forum,
In honor of your time and attention upon this regard, this is Mr. X speaking.
Now that RGoh has acknowledged his acquaintance and professional relationship with me, I believe that it is safe for me to put myself forward; he can’t deny our acquaintance. Please forgive me for the delay, as Mr. A mentioned: I am out of town a lot and do not have the privilege of mobile internet on the go.
Dear all,
Please understand that I do not claim the cleanest of hands in this matter.
Ask Mr. A on any day, and he will tell you that I claim guilty, and still intending on paying everyone back when I have the capability to if RGoh doesn’t ever fulfill his SIGNED-COMMITMENT that we all foolishly believed. I introduced them to RGoh, and as was mentioned in this forum before, just because I was fooled doesn’t make me the free guy.
And RGoh, you should know this too: What you did has damaged friendships of over 10 and even 15 years. You and your brother’s quest for wealth sacrificed people; not just me, but also 2 other marketers who hold an accumulated total of 10+ clients. We all had to watch as your brother’s trades cleaned out the accounts dollar-by-dollar, and the fast heartbeats became so painful after a while. But what you did wasn’t any less bad – i had to find out from my clients that their account balances were not even enough to trade another lot with. What were you thinking..? I analyzed your positions for days, and could not even figure out what the crap you were doing; and you know what, not even your brother could!
Please forgive me if i sound rather cynical in my writings, this past definitely marks a few of my darkest days.
Now, first of all,
RGoh, hands together for u. U DO know how to make up fiction...
“Andi, my assumption is you are the mastermind and schemer of this whole deal. Why don't you come out clean and tell us how many % of the US$12k you will be getting if you managed to pull this through?
Let's illustrate, you mentioned that you are working in a tax consultant company probably earning about Rp5mil a month. From this deal you may have agreed to have 50% of the US$12k if successful, you just made a 12 month bonus!! Pretty cool right? However if this issue turns bad, you walked away scot-free because your name was not anywhere in the letter.”
WOWWW...
You should really be a scriptwriter you know, im pretty sure not a lot of people can even come up with the idea of setting up the deal u mentioned above... Tell me something, have YOU done this before that you can have an idea like this..?
“To clarify, we do not manage any client's trading account but we do provide guidelines occasionally, however it's the account owner that will decide to take or not to take our guidelines for his trades.
I believe Mr X would have shown you and your friends his trading records; you and your friends in return trusted him with your monies after seeing the potential returns. That's why you invested your money in a trading account under your friend's name which is a fact. I also believe the account was doing well in the 1st month, unfortunately the subsequent months seem to spiral down and probably started to look for scapegoat for excuses and to get back your money.”
Quick reminder: i DON’T have a trading record.. This was YOUR suggestion to me and the other marketers to use YOUR trading record... I still have the file that YOU gave for us to do marketing with, but NO, i did NOT use it to market, coz i refuse to. The reason I brought in Mr. A to this investment was because YOU AND PHILIP [yes, the guy who was mentioned by Gary Geng on one of Mr. A’s posted emails; as well as RGoh’s older brother] agreed to sign the agreement. Even better, I have about half a dozen people who will testify if we ever get to court that you and your brother on MULTIPLE occasions saying: “Just get the accounts in. If lose we pay them back! Money this easy also don’t want huh..?” remember that..? OF COURSE YOU DON’T RIGHT..? Well, guess what, WE ALL DO!!!
“To vincam, when I received the scanned copy of Statement of Intent, it came as a shock to me that someone will do something like this. I have to understand and analyse the motive, so I took the step-back approach.”
Just one word: BULLSH*T!
“To JF Lennon, if you are reading this, be careful with this Andi. You could be his next target.”
Hey Rog, don’t post it here. GIVE THEM A CALL! They are SO waiting for you there...
“As for Mr X, why don't you print out the account history of that trading account and posted it here? So that members in this forum who are traders will be able to see how it gone wrong?”
I’m not very sure how the account history will help you clear your name because it'll only show you & your brother's strategies in play in analyzed, but now that you mention it, let me put this in reverse: why don’t YOU print out all 10+ accounts from us four marketers that were under the direction of you and your brother instead..? Because all those accounts were wiped out in very similar ways – any trader could see they were all the same positions.
“unfortunately there seem to be some unhappy ex-staff trying to get even after we freeze the operations of the Indonesian company (that we had invested in) due to irregularities and is under inquiry from the head office.”
Not just ex-staff by the way, you and your brother also didn’t pay for your hostel that you stayed for almost a month in. Good thing your brother still came to Indo one more time before you guys disappeared – FYI, it was me who told the hostel staff to come to the office and not leave before they got paid.
“I got Andi's email in my company's domain mailbox on 25Dec 2010 and I duly replied him on the 28Dec. Any conversations before that date was his conversation with a hotmail account that I admit was sabotaged. I have no idea who had been communicating with them.”
Ok, so you DO admit that the hotmail account WAS yours [well, even if not, i still have some old emails from you to your marketers using that address dating back to late May 2010 & i can publish them anyway]. So this eliminates the possibility of some one else “making” an email address under that name then.
Now to all the audience here, if you would, please refer back to the emails RGoh claims to “have no idea who was communicating”.
I read thru the whole post again from the beginning as i am writing this, and i realize as i was reading thru, some things never changed throughout.
1. “Monies”
[See emails dated June 30th’10, Jan. 3rd, 24th, 26th].
- Does ANYONE use this word around here..? Now what are the chances that this hacker also uses the same word..? Hmmmm.....
2. “Apologies for...”
[See emails dated June 30th’10, Aug.31st’10, Sept. 5’10, & to Ms.KPOH on Jan.27th’11].
- Not a very strong argument, I must say, but seems repetitive to me. Very consistent on this phrase even though there are many ways to say it.
3. “Reference to the...”
[See emails June 30th’10, July 5th’10, Jan. 26th’11].
- Just so you know, this is incorrect English. It’s supposed to be “In/With reference to...” or “Referencing”, but I guess this hacker guy must’ve had bad English too huh..?
4. Blame the marketer!
- On Dec. 1st, you wrote: “...whoever introduce you had made that promise, please refer back to the referral.” Sure, the guy who hacked into your email is trying to clear your name! How nice of Mr. Hacker! Oh, and by the way, in case you try to claim what Ms. KPOH has said that I was the one who hacked into your hotmail account, I must be a real idiot for trying to frame myself! Oh, but wait, maybe ur gona say that I was trying to create my own alibi..?
OH, and by the way, this is also a repetitive issue yah..? How many times have you tried to say “go look for this guy instead”, and as time goes this guy gets more and more powerful: from a student-trader to showing non-existent trading records, to forge your signature AND gather all your personal infos such as your passport number, to hacking into your email... What is this..? “Catch Me If You Can”..?
Now as for the signed agreement, i have not practiced law in any part of my life, and hence i wont speak much of it. But i DID consult with a lawyer i know throughout this process, and hence i have a basic idea of its strengths and weaknesses. One strength is its validity; yes, as mentioned before, it is not as strong as a signed & notarized piece of document, but it is a legal, sufficient binding agreement. Secondly, regarding the handwriting. RGoh, as you can see on the very top of that Statement of Intent, you wrote your ID number, which is in letters AND numbers; a lot of people can forge signatures, but how about handwriting..? Handwriting strokes are a field of study on its own, and even today it is still used in business crime forensics. Don’t believe me..? Ask any Indonesian lawyer who has handled a fraud case. I’ve made my mistakes, but I also didn’t walk into this agreement deaf, dumb, and blind.
Just to make sure that I don’t send to another email account that’s “hacked” & i’m sure you’ll read this post now that you’re involved, here’s what i have to say to u:
You, RGoh, in the year and a half i’ve gotten to know you, there has been one consistent role that you have portrayed, and even more clearly now in the ways you have projected to defend yourself. You’re a coward.
You hid behind your marketers in making all these promises, carefully choosing your timing. You even hid behind your brother in meeting clients face to face [yes, his brother was the one who traveled around and lobbied clients, and even talk to them after they started incurring losses made by RGoh]. In all those emails you wrote to my clients, you consistently again and again referred to me as the guy they should be looking for – you even hid behind me. And now, you’re worse than ever: you’re hiding behind a computer screen.
If you’re really innocent as you claim to be, you should have no fears to come and face the law, confidently stating your innocence. Especially for the “businessman” that you claim to be: your reputation should be an utmost importance. But, as we all can see, you don’t even have the decency to show up in front of your ex-employees; you even deleted our contacts from your blackberry messenger and declined our repeated requests – no guts to even talk to us! So, much less my clients, much less the law.
I pity your brother who marketed around the country, showing his face, only now to not be able to show it especially in Pulau Bintan again. But you know what, at least I had some respect for him; he still had the guts to look at me and my clients in the eye, even though every promise from his mouth were also lies.
Come with your brother to Indonesia and settle this.
I don’t know what else you got, but aside from all these that have been published right here, I got at least half a dozen people who will testify against you and him.
I will admit that I was a fool; a fool for believing y’all’s promises, a fool for committing myself to a job so much that I even worked full on Christmas day, a fool for ohmygosh – trusting you.
You should note this Roger, and note this well: you have damaged lives. PLEASE do not do to anyone else what you have done to us, enough is enough.
As also has been discussed in this posting before, we are not the police – this is not a court of law, and hence my client will not be able to get his money back even if RGoh is proven guilty right here [i guess its pretty evident from seeing how RGoh has been responding so far, anything short of a legal overrule is a waste of breath].
So, if nothing else, I shall align my purpose for posting with Mr. A, who puts the word “BEWARE” in the title of this post. I hope that everyone here do not share the same, or even close to loss that we have suffered.
Once again I thank you for your time and attention, and as Mr. A mentioned earlier in the post as well, we do welcome anyone who can help us process this thru legal channels.