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FOREX PRO Weekly July 02-06, 2012

Discussion in 'Sive Morten- Currencies and Gold Video Analysis' started by Sive Morten, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. minimax

    minimax Sergeant Major

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    What is this now? Sleeping Beauty? In my country we say: The mountain was shaking but the mouse was born!

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    It took my limit but I am not for long yet
     
  2. Triantus Shango

    Triantus Shango Sergeant Major

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    guys, why the hell would you want to trade with a market maker? especially FXCM. stay away. use an ECN/STP broker instead. use the well-established ECNs, not the johnny-come-lately who supposedly had a sudden change of heart and claim they are not screwing the customer anymore (hint: FXCM--yeah, i got burned by them).
     
  3. minimax

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    Suggest, please, would appreciate
     
  4. Triantus Shango

    Triantus Shango Sergeant Major

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    MB Trading : mbtrading.com
    FXAll for those who have deep enough pockets or can set up as institutional traders.
    CitiFXPro
    FinFX
    Interactive Brokers
    Pepperstone
    Dukascopy

    the best in my opinion, is FXAll but if you don't have the cash yet, then MB Trading is next best for retail traders, with IB and Dukascopy. MBTrading, before offering FX, they were and still are offering stocks, options, futures for the past 20 years. so they have been around.

    Dukascopy is a mixed bag. i never had any issues with them, but i keep hearing people complaining about shallow liquidity pools.

    FXAll is really for professionals.

    the rest, is OK, not the best. IB probably better than the remainder.

    all this being said, i would not use a broker that only offers access through MT4. why? because MT4 is sh|t when it comes to managing your trades. you want a professional platforms for that, so you can enjoy the flexibility and see the order book as well, none of which is available with MT4. and even though those non-MT4 platforms might seem a little harder to use at first, so what? if you can't learn and adapt and overcome, meaning if you can't even do what is good for you, then you have no place in this business. i say this because i see way too often so many rants on forums from people complaining that this or that is not as easy as MT4, as if that makes MT4 a good platform. it doesn't. so i hope, for your sake, you bite the bullet and start using the real tools.

    anyways, don't take my word for it. just test drive all of them.

    ok, end of rant. ;-)

    P.S. 0: forgot to mention WH Selfinvest: sorry--typo--it's an STP broker when trading FX, but has deal desk for CFDs--they have a very good reputation in Europe, and their FutureStation Nano is awesome and your funds benefit from being in luxembourg (read up on that, no time to explain details), BUT they only open accounts for European citizens.

    P.S. 1: STP: the quotes are obtained directly from a bank.

    P.S. 2: ECN FX brokers allow clients' orders to interact with other clients' orders. ECN FX brokers provide a marketplace where all its participants (banks, market makers and individual traders) trade against each other.

    P.S. 3: damn i am scattered tonight... STP means no level 2 DOM as only with an ECN do you trade against other customers of the same broker, and each client basically acts as a mini-market maker. the aggregation via STP doesn't allow clients to see the order book depth, if my understanding is correct.

    P.S. 4: so, if an ECN broker is dishonest, they still could take the other side of the trade, and play with the feed they give you.

    P.S. 5: so STP or ECN it's all moot... testing the broker live is the only way really to tell.

    P.S. 6:
    STP FX brokers send orders directly from clients to the liquidity providers such as banks which trade on the interbank. The more there are banks and liquidity in the system, the better the fills for the clients.

    ok am done. i need sleep ;-)
     
    #114 Triantus Shango, Jul 6, 2012
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  5. minimax

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    Thank you, Triantus; some known, some new
     
  6. D.R.&Quinch

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    i understand where you are coming from.
    I think many are ropey, some are bucket shops and others are very big FSA regulated firms with alot to lose from improper practice.
    spreading betting is free of tax in uk, which adds to the attraction.
    For me, at the moment i am poor and can only risk an amount that works well with a "derivative" that allows me to invest the amount i am prepared to lose when my position goes the wrong way.
    When i have learnt enough here and from the books i must re read again, i want to invest more and use an ecn, although precisely what is an ecn firm seems to be getting blurred by lying market makers. i knows there are many threads dedicated to this subject that i have to wade through at some point.
    if anyone has and can post an analytic summary comparing pros and cons of each, many might learn!
     
  7. Triantus Shango

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    well, as far as i am concerned, they are no pros if a dealing desk sits between you and the market. so only a true STP/ECN (sometimes you also see DMA used as an acronym), basically no deal desk, will do.

    point is the broker should match your order against the other market participants without any delays whatsoever, which is what i have been experiencing consistently with mbtrading.
     
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  9. D.R.&Quinch

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    Cheers Triantus,
    will pick up ecn conversation soon
     
    #119 D.R.&Quinch, Jul 6, 2012
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  10. Kalgan

    Kalgan Private, 1st Class

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    Thanks Triantus* ~ More of those charts and info would be much appreciated...

    KR*
     

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