If the CFTC does this, say goodbye to retail forex in the USA

While I realize I am just a lowly recruit here, I would like to add some food for thought.

In a prior life I was a registered CTA with the NFA/CFTC. What a joke. The first thing to consider is the NFA and CFTC are both over inflated bureaucracies. As with any bureaucracy, their first and foremost objectives are 1) position themselves as “required” and 2) obfuscate everything to withstand any immediate short-term bureaucratic investigation. Once that has been accomplished, they are free to “respond” to any uninformed public/governmental outcry of a need for more meaningless obfuscated regulations. Following is an example of meaningless they can be.

As a registered CTA I was required to file (multiple copies) of my Disclosure Document with the NFA/CFTC. A document that would have your eyes rolling back after the first paragraph. This document was valid for 6 months, after which I would have to resubmit for another 6 month period. Repeat as required every 6 months. The catch here was I could not legally actively manage accounts as a CTA if this was not on-file and approved. This approval process could be immediate or run indefinitely. Now the bureaucratic “job security” fun starts. I was provided a boilerplate disclosure document by my FCM to use. Approved countless time by the NFA/CFTC All I did was insert my data.

Rejected. When I attempted to seek clarification, I was only provided ambiguous responses. After numerous attempts resulting in continued rejection, I resorted to the original disclosure document. Approved immediately.

From that point forward, when ever I was rejected I just “flipped” a couple of paragraphs and the document was immediately approved.

When studying for my Series 3 I happened to retain a few key points. The primary ones being 1) if I did not actively solicit for trading funds and 2) if I managed 12 or less accounts, I did not have to be a registered CTA. Once I convinced my ego that was a good approach, I dropped my registration and only continued with “friends” accounts. Problem solved.

Back to today's problem. Here is how I am looking at these issues. To-date I have seen no restrictions on where or how many accounts I can have. The first approach to an increasing restriction that impairs how I trade is to move away from that restriction. i. e. move account off shore. There also is nothing that says I can not have more than one account trading the same currency pairs. Nor is there anything that say I can not create an artificial spread across 2 brokers. While each of these do entail a little more effort on my part, my energies are back focused on making money, not fighting the system.

With today's electronic trading, all I need is an account number/ID and password and I am trading anyone's account for them.

There are solutions. I also am a tactical weapons trainer. In this realm there is a directive I continually harp to the trainees, FOCUS – SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Failure to accomplish this could have dire fatal results. What ever approach you decide on, the same applies here, focus, solve the problem. IMHO opinion the approach should include keeping this site apprised and continually contacting your government representatives with your clearly define objections and possible alternatives.

Just my 2 pips worth. Flame away.

P.S. By chance I happened to meet an ex-NFA employee while on vacation one year. The long/short is that the folks in the document approval department were the near bottom rung group. This meant there was a very high turnover rate and one's document was rarely reviewed by the same person. If there was no turnover from the departing reviewer, there was a 50/50 shot at being approved/rejected. This was also impacted by the reviewers workload, mood and desire to get out the door early. I was told most CTA just resubmitted the same document over and over until approved. Only changing the document date. Got to love it, some low level clerk stepping all over your making a living.
 
The U.S. retail traders aren't the ones who created the situation that we now find ourselves in, it's the U.S. brokers who have the real problem. First of all this wouldn't be an issue if all the unscrupulous brokers and money managers and all the rest weren't so narrow sighted and unethical so as to give the whole industry this much of a bad reputation. If the U.S. brokers as a whole were more proactive with fighting the rampant fraud and miseducation of retail forex traders, then both them and their customers would be better off in the long run. As it stands now they fight over you as a retail trader like some sucker on the Vegas strip with their outrageous leverages and bogus spread promises and supposedly superior trading analysis software.

So following that line of reasoning, the US brokers should be the one's fighting on our behalf since it’s their business that will be headed offshore when this goes down. All of us with U.S. brokers should begin threatening to withdraw our accounts very soon if they don't become more active in fighting this ridiculous situation that they idly stood by and let build up to today's situation.
 
Westofpluto,
The CFCT can only regulate US brokerages. Of course, wait until enough money starts moving overseas and then there could easily be some future regs to help "protect citizens" from risking money offshore. That's why we need to torpedo this rule now - otherwise, when the money starts flowing out of the country, they'll find some other ways to "help" us.

Don't think it can happen? The USA is one of the only countries in the world with an "Exit Tax". If you try to move out with too much money (your money, all taxes already paid), Uncle Sam wants you to have a little chat with his minions at the IRS.

Just one more reason to "burn it down" and start fresh?
 
losers vs winners

Here's what I think is driving the new rules. 10% of traders make money in forex. 90% lose money. There's no way the goverment is going to allow me and others to keep losing money to the forex scam. There's no way anyone can tell me that the markets aren't being manipulated. They do hunt stops. and I believe they manipulate prices to take money. I've lost consitently trade after trade and have hit the targets perfectly only to see the price action go dead for 2 minutes while someone changes the computer program so prices reverse. Online poker just got caught doing this same thing. I've asked numurous brokers to help me get some one on one to check my trade style and all of them refused. Based on that, I'm so pissed off at the forex dealers that I hope the goverment shuts it down. This leverage ratio of 10 to 1 is as close as they can get. The forex industry win/loss ratio is about 90/10 in favor of the broker. If it was more inline with Las Vegas 52/48 then it would be considered legal. What is happening in the forex markets is illegal and is theft and needs to stop. I have warned a couple of forex brokers to change coarse before this day came. But the greed caused them hearing loss. :mad:There's no way are economy can afford the massive losses in the forex industry to continue. So I'm going to issue the warning again. Either get the win/loss ratio to about 52/48 or shut it down. If the cftc doesn't do it then congress or the white house will. Here's what some of you can do to help. Start helping the traders losing money to start making money. NOW, before it's to late.
 
Here's what I think is driving the new rules. 10% of traders make money in forex. 90% lose money. There's no way the goverment is going to allow me and others to keep losing money to the forex scam. There's no way anyone can tell me that the markets aren't being manipulated. They do hunt stops. and I believe they manipulate prices to take money. I've lost consitently trade after trade and have hit the targets perfectly only to see the price action go dead for 2 minutes while someone changes the computer program so prices reverse. Online poker just got caught doing this same thing. I've asked numurous brokers to help me get some one on one to check my trade style and all of them refused. Based on that, I'm so pissed off at the forex dealers that I hope the goverment shuts it down. This leverage ratio of 10 to 1 is as close as they can get. The forex industry win/loss ratio is about 90/10 in favor of the broker. If it was more inline with Las Vegas 52/48 then it would be considered legal. What is happening in the forex markets is illegal and is theft and needs to stop. I have warned a couple of forex brokers to change coarse before this day came. But the greed caused them hearing loss. :mad:There's no way are economy can afford the massive losses in the forex industry to continue. So I'm going to issue the warning again. Either get the win/loss ratio to about 52/48 or shut it down. If the cftc doesn't do it then congress or the white house will. Here's what some of you can do to help. Start helping the traders losing money to start making money. NOW, before it's to late.

I am sure this happens (thats why I DAY & POSITION trade only) but what u are eluding to is the fact that you cant handle your own destiny. Thats too bad-seems to be the norm in America now. You will fit right in with the "heard" I have no doubt. I lean other way-stay out of my way and I will take care of myself without ANY intervention from our so called government. They take far too much and deliver far too little-IMO. There are criminal Brokers to be sure-but if ANYONE did their due diligence BEFORE sending out their money-there would be far fewer evil Brokers to worry about. Good luck though-sounds like your gonna need it.
 
I have had losses that were caused by rogue spikes, or transient spread-widening ticks. So far, these have not been really pivotal incidents, so far as win/lose is concerned. I lost the trade, but not the battle.

When I lose, it is because the market did not do what I hoped it would do. My bad. It is not the market's fault, or even my broker's fault (perhaps I've been lucky). I usually get it back, with a bit of effort and some hedging. At least, I reduce the loss.

Leverage of 100:1 is less than some non-US brokers offer, but there is still the possibility that a Forex investment provides better returns than competing investment products. It also holds out the promise of turning smaller capital into significant capital. This may explain the sudden interest of regulators to throw a little water on the Forex party.

If enough people complain loudly enough, perhaps this proposed rule can be amended. If not, it's a real shame.

MM
 
First we take Canada, then we take the USA....

Retail Forex was allready killed in Canada with similar leverage rules and that's when some major brokerages stopped doing business altogether here and we had to move our trading accounts offshore. If this happens in the USA you would think that it will have a similar effect as in Canada. I'm really shocked that this is being proposed in the USA, I thought it was the freest country in the world. You guys ought to form some group like the NRA and let the regulators know of your disapproval. Get some celebrity on board to champion the cause of freedom, cuz this is what it's really about, freedom and liberty. Good luck from Canada.
 
I reckon the reason why they mention such ridiculous leverage as 10-1 is because their real aim is to cut it to say 50-1. CTFC will make as if they listened to traders concern and pass it as a 'compromise'. It's all a conspiracy against small retail traders, my friends. It just won't be possible to trade retail forex in the USA anymore. Thankfully, I live outside the U.S.
 
The government officials aren't as dumb as everyone thinks. This is just another technique to make the dollar weak to help our dying manufacturing sector: cheap dollar = more affordable goods overseas - anything to make the politicians look good by putting up good looking economic numbers. The president, Congress, and the Fed can talk all day long about "strong dollar policy", but at the end of the day the result will be similar to quantitative easing........a worthless buck!

The writing is on the wall - it has been for quite some time. Diversify offshore before currency controls are imposed. :unhappy:



Liquid has a valid point. This could be their aim and intention on imposing these restrictions. Of course, I am ardently against them but as long as I can keep my money overseas with no restrictions the story isn't over yet. I saw this coming a mile away but I honestly thought they would only limit the leverage to 100:1. This is just more of Obama's attempt to socialize the United States and that is not a conspiracy theory. Just look at how he tried to Socialize health care and tell me that I'm wrong. Believe it or not, I also heard that he intends to propose the elimination of the U.S. dollar completely and that there would only be 1 world currency. Of course, that seems way more unlikely to me but anything is possible. Around the time of his election, I heard that he was a socialist and I thought that was a rumor. Look at what is happening now, were they wrong back then?

The current U.S. administration is just bad news period and Obama is a control freak- I don't care what anybody says. In my opinion, the problem is with Obama and the Senate. Also, take a look at the CFTC website and you will see that the CFTC commisioners are all appointed by the President of the United States.

I only hope that we can stop this regulation, if the CFTC aka US government refuses to budge on them, perhaps a major workforce strike is in order. After all, when words are silenced action is the only recourse.
 
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