Ponzi Scheme TadawulME / Exential Group:

Guaranteed profits become guaranteed losses.
Hello Ihab, Sorry I have no information on any settlements. Have you filed a complaint with the police yet? Have the courts in Dubai appointed a receiver yet?
Sorry I had not quite finished my response yet and then I clicked the wrong button, and the posting was made.

Ihab, let me tell you what is supposed to happen.
Victims file complaints with the police.
The police investigate and gather evidence.
The prosecutor or crown counsel reviews the evidence to determine if the case is strong enough to lay charges.
Assuming there is sufficient evidence then arrest warrants are issued and the defendants are picked up/arrested by the police and held until such time as they can appear before a judge or officer of the peace..
In our society defendants are considered innocent until proven guilty, so a judge must consider granting bail to a defendant unless they are a flight risk (I guess SL or Sydney Lemos or his real name is actually Sydney Marshal Agnelo Lemos must have been considered a flight risk as he was denied bail while awaiting these fraud and theft charges.

Now at some point the courts are supposed to appoint a receiver.(which is usually a law firm or an accounting firm)
A receiver has the lawful authority of the courts to act in the best interest of the creditors, and is therefore now the only person or entity that may claim any assets that are located.
Of course the receiver now needs to hear from all the victims to determine how much was lost.
Have you heard from any receiver yet?
The receiver will want to see paperwork and contracts, and wire transfers, and even any redemption amounts received, to determine who invested what amount and if any investors may have actually recovered any of their investment.
It will be the receivers job to also pay attention to any debts or obligations that Exential and/or TadawulME may have had as well.

The receivers job will take many months as they need to review all the documentation and check all the bank records of the investors as well as Exential's / TadawulME's bank accounts and bank transfers.
If the receiver finds any investors made back more money than what they invested then the receiver will want to receive those excess funds too, and will possibly sue to get them

When the receiver has found all the funds they are capable of finding they then pay themselves first the fees they charge for their services and any other monies they still have remaining are supposed to go back to the investors who lost money.

OK, so here are just some of the problems with this system.
Not all receivers have the experience to trace money around the world as it is transferred from country to country and different jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
In many cases the currency is changed from $USD to $EU and sometimes into precious metals, and many different account names are used.
Often different law firms receive these funds and then transfer them on to other places but because law firms bank accounts (or trust accounts) are protected for privacy, it is sometimes very difficult to track where all the money and wealth went.
In many cases receivers are not experienced in doing this, and so they are unable to find the money that was transferred out of Dubai.

NOW, there is a whole International Asset Recovery Industry that exists in the world, and all these people do is specialize in asset tracing and asset recoveries, because fraud is such a big business internationally all over the world.
Sometimes victims find these Asset Recovery firms themselves and pay them even more fees to go out and see if they can recovery anything, but other times these Asset Recovery firms just happen to find bank accounts that have $millions in them (usually because some of their offshore banking friends find out about the secret account ) - and in this case the only way to secure or freeze or seize those funds is to first find some of the victims who can provide the paperwork that can be used in that local court system in order to get the courts to grant a freeze order. It was exactly for that reason that I first posted on this board, because people I know have located assets and they need to find victims who can step forward and provide proof that this may be their money.
 
Sorry I had not quite finished my response yet and then I clicked the wrong button, and the posting was made.

Ihab, let me tell you what is supposed to happen.
Victims file complaints with the police.
The police investigate and gather evidence.
The prosecutor or crown counsel reviews the evidence to determine if the case is strong enough to lay charges.
Assuming there is sufficient evidence then arrest warrants are issued and the defendants are picked up/arrested by the police and held until such time as they can appear before a judge or officer of the peace..
In our society defendants are considered innocent until proven guilty, so a judge must consider granting bail to a defendant unless they are a flight risk (I guess SL or Sydney Lemos or his real name is actually Sydney Marshal Agnelo Lemos must have been considered a flight risk as he was denied bail while awaiting these fraud and theft charges.

Now at some point the courts are supposed to appoint a receiver.(which is usually a law firm or an accounting firm)
A receiver has the lawful authority of the courts to act in the best interest of the creditors, and is therefore now the only person or entity that may claim any assets that are located.
Of course the receiver now needs to hear from all the victims to determine how much was lost.
Have you heard from any receiver yet?
The receiver will want to see paperwork and contracts, and wire transfers, and even any redemption amounts received, to determine who invested what amount and if any investors may have actually recovered any of their investment.
It will be the receivers job to also pay attention to any debts or obligations that Exential and/or TadawulME may have had as well.

The receivers job will take many months as they need to review all the documentation and check all the bank records of the investors as well as Exential's / TadawulME's bank accounts and bank transfers.
If the receiver finds any investors made back more money than what they invested then the receiver will want to receive those excess funds too, and will possibly sue to get them

When the receiver has found all the funds they are capable of finding they then pay themselves first the fees they charge for their services and any other monies they still have remaining are supposed to go back to the investors who lost money.

OK, so here are just some of the problems with this system.
Not all receivers have the experience to trace money around the world as it is transferred from country to country and different jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
In many cases the currency is changed from $USD to $EU and sometimes into precious metals, and many different account names are used.
Often different law firms receive these funds and then transfer them on to other places but because law firms bank accounts (or trust accounts) are protected for privacy, it is sometimes very difficult to track where all the money and wealth went.
In many cases receivers are not experienced in doing this, and so they are unable to find the money that was transferred out of Dubai.

NOW, there is a whole International Asset Recovery Industry that exists in the world, and all these people do is specialize in asset tracing and asset recoveries, because fraud is such a big business internationally all over the world.
Sometimes victims find these Asset Recovery firms themselves and pay them even more fees to go out and see if they can recovery anything, but other times these Asset Recovery firms just happen to find bank accounts that have $millions in them (usually because some of their offshore banking friends find out about the secret account ) - and in this case the only way to secure or freeze or seize those funds is to first find some of the victims who can provide the paperwork that can be used in that local court system in order to get the courts to grant a freeze order. It was exactly for that reason that I first posted on this board, because people I know have located assets and they need to find victims who can step forward and provide proof that this may be their money.


So you want to say that Jimmy’s assets i.e. the 007 car and bikes and the hotel that Carlton claim they found, is of our money? What if Jimmy files a case back on us for trying to take what is his? Foolish solutions or rather a poor marketing gimmick for asking clients to approach your law firm I’d rather say, Chris. This may be the process in the UK but definitely not in the UAE. We have extremely capable authorities here in the UAE, who are doing their job while imposters like you jump in between on-going investigations claiming to have found a solution. How cheap and absolutely unwise. If you still insist on making a fool of yourself further, please feel free to reply.

I wonder who are the foolish clients who believe you still. It is sad to see how these forums are used to make money by such law firms who have the reputation of being big fraudsters themselves. It is enough that we have lost our money once, don’t count on us to make the same mistake twice.

It looks like the authorities will soon be on the lookout for these crooks who are defaming Dubai in forums and in newspapers with their lies.
 
So you want to say that Jimmy’s assets i.e. the 007 car and bikes and the hotel that Carlton claim they found, is of our money? What if Jimmy files a case back on us for trying to take what is his? Foolish solutions or rather a poor marketing gimmick for asking clients to approach your law firm I’d rather say, Chris. This may be the process in the UK but definitely not in the UAE. We have extremely capable authorities here in the UAE, who are doing their job while imposters like you jump in between on-going investigations claiming to have found a solution. How cheap and absolutely unwise. If you still insist on making a fool of yourself further, please feel free to reply.

I wonder who are the foolish clients who believe you still. It is sad to see how these forums are used to make money by such law firms who have the reputation of being big fraudsters themselves. It is enough that we have lost our money once, don’t count on us to make the same mistake twice.

It looks like the authorities will soon be on the lookout for these crooks who are defaming Dubai in forums and in newspapers with their lies.

Hello TheTruthTriumphs;
I have read your recent comment which was made in response to my post reply to Ihab.
Frankly I am having a hard time making sense of or understanding exactly what you are trying to say, or just what point you are trying to make.

You have made some basic assumptions (which are not correct) and jumped to conclusions (which are not correct), and it is difficult for me to determine right now whether you are a rational person or not.
  1. I am not a lawyer - what makes you say that I am? You sound like you are speaking with knowledge or authority but how can you have knowledge when you state I am a lawyer, and I'm not?
  2. I am not part of a law firm - what makes you say that I am? Again you sound like you are speaking with knowledge or authority but how can you have knowledge when you state I am a lawyer, and I'm not?
  3. I challenge you to identify me anywhere in the world practicing as a lawyer, or as being part of a law firm
  4. It is really sad to see how these forums are used by misinformed, ignorant people who just put out information that seems to suit their rant for the day.
  5. I have read some of you past postings and you definitely do repeatedly focus or mention the authorities are on the lookout for people who are defaming Dubai in Forums and in Newspapers - please explain to me how anything I have said could even have remotely defamed Dubai.
I have read some of your other postings just to see if you were able to communicate coherently, and I have to say they are just as confusing and meaningless to me.
I don't think you and I could have a meaningful conversation, so I would ask that you just ignore me from now on, and I will do m y very best to ignore you.
 
Hello TheTruthTriumphs;
I have read your recent comment which was made in response to my post reply to Ihab.
Frankly I am having a hard time making sense of or understanding exactly what you are trying to say, or just what point you are trying to make.

You have made some basic assumptions (which are not correct) and jumped to conclusions (which are not correct), and it is difficult for me to determine right now whether you are a rational person or not.
  1. I am not a lawyer - what makes you say that I am? You sound like you are speaking with knowledge or authority but how can you have knowledge when you state I am a lawyer, and I'm not?
  2. I am not part of a law firm - what makes you say that I am? Again you sound like you are speaking with knowledge or authority but how can you have knowledge when you state I am a lawyer, and I'm not?
  3. I challenge you to identify me anywhere in the world practicing as a lawyer, or as being part of a law firm
  4. It is really sad to see how these forums are used by misinformed, ignorant people who just put out information that seems to suit their rant for the day.
  5. I have read some of you past postings and you definitely do repeatedly focus or mention the authorities are on the lookout for people who are defaming Dubai in Forums and in Newspapers - please explain to me how anything I have said could even have remotely defamed Dubai.
I have read some of your other postings just to see if you were able to communicate coherently, and I have to say they are just as confusing and meaningless to me.
I don't think you and I could have a meaningful conversation, so I would ask that you just ignore me from now on, and I will do m y very best to ignore you.
First of all, let me wake you up from your daydream and bring you back to reality. Many have been ignoring your comments after understanding what you are really trying to do or whom you are trying to promote here. Before checking my posts, please have a look at your own posts, because for sure, you are confused with what you have been writing. You should think and write carefully and not get caught with your own words. And with regards to spoiling Dubai’s name, you make everyone out here assume you are guilty and hence defensive. We shall leave it to the authorities to catch all those who used forums, newspapers etc. to defame Dubai. Not a single one will be spared. How can we, normal clients, identify faceless and nameless people like you? We will leave that as well to the ones who are capable of doing this and let me also assure you that we clients won't be wrong.
 
I agree with what you said. Based on what other said in this forum:
- you cannot file a class suit. This would have lessen the cost significantly. I really dont know why this is not allowed.
- police are not accepting complaints anymore. You need to go to dubai courts. and of course, you cannot just barge into dubai courts to put your case forward. You need to be represented by (unfortunately) expensive lawyers.

So what are the options?
- Find a cheap lawyer. Or a lawyer who will not charge anything upfront but will only get a percentage of the amount recovered. But of course, there are court fees, etc. which needs to be paid in advance (but at least not to the lawyers).That would be a good deal because considering that this is almost a lost cause, getting 80% of the amount (assuming 20% to the lawyers) will be more than enough. Im quite sure there was one law firm who posted this proposition before but cheerleaders branded them as fraud. But based on the facts now, i dont think youll find any willing lawyer with this condition. And by the way, the usual practice is that the court will order the full return of the capital plus damages and standard interest of approximately 12% per year - FYI for @MiaJen
- Wasta (aka influence/connections). Find an local who has good wasta and is willing to help you.

Those are the only options I can think of now. Dont go to extreme cases like directly contacting the royal family (or even using tweeter). I think one lady tried this earlier this year and I think shes in trouble :)

Again, recovery is a complex and costly process which does not really guarantee full return of your money. Unless SL has other personal properties to go after, there's no way to recover the cost for the lavish party that SL was throwing every month or the sponsorship fees given to FC Bardez. Thats why prevention is always better than cure. If its too good to be true,.... you know whats next.


Shame on you. I thought you would use your wasta for the benefit of these clients you are so desperately trying to help, instead you are asking them to establish their own ?

You are asking them to find a cheap/ free lawyers – they have probably tried that already. Stale option.

My friend was thinking of using twitter for reporting false information published by the National. She also wanted to attach the proof online – I will warn her – thanks for the heads up! You are a hero !

BTW, you stress so much on SL not being a hero (in all your previous posts - several times), it seems as if this is a personal feud (haha)
 
Barking at the wrong tree...

If SL is sentenced that means he is guilty of running a ponzi and fund mismanagement. The reason your sister and the other clients have to suffer is because they fell victim to a ponzi scheme ran by a conman. By the way, if he's proven guilty, you're 3x gains are ill-gotten and you can give them back to your sister to give her some sort of justice.

Great idea to get old clients to return their profits to fund the loses made by clients who joined in 2015.I will await a Government announcement in The National asking clients of 2012 (3X profit), 2013 (2X profit), 2014 (1X profit) to deposit the money with the government. But seriously, if the Government uses the National to post any announcement, I might think it’s a fraud, considering the recent lie about the 007 BMW. This is very shameful for the newspaper.This is like a different type of Ponzi to fool readers. Please ask the Government to use Khaleej times.. ok ?
 
File a complaint with the police. This at least puts you in line for a share of whatever assets the authorites may recover. It also is one more documented victim to add when the time comes to sentence all the criminals.

For everyone saying that Sydney should have been gone after civilly instead of criminally, wake up! This whole thing might not have started out as a Ponzi, but it certainly turned into one at some point. Filing lawsuits would just have resulted in remaining assets being shifted to other companies even faster, all while coming up with new investment plans to lure in even more victims.

Ponzi scammers and those who knowingly assist them belong in one place - prison. Anything short of that only results in more lives being ruined.


Pharoah, would it make sense to file a criminal case on the National (or rather the editor) for publishing false info ? Or should it be a Civil case ? My colleague engaged a lawyer based on the article regarding the 007 BMW. She later saw evidence that National had published false information. A civil case would not make sense right ?

I agree Ponzi is punishable. And I am sure you will agree that newspapers reporting lies (when public proof is available) to mislead the readers and providing a business development platform for Carlton, is a worse crime than Ponzi. This editor also belongs in one place – prison. Anything short of that would only result in more money being lost. Perhaps they can bond together in the jail. Unethical journalism is a worse crime.

In a ponzi scheme, funds coming in are used to pay for the bogus profits of scam victims who are already in it. Take the case of @MiaJen for example. She earned 3 times her principal believing that this was a legitimate company. Would you file a case against @MiaJen for being duped by a ponzi?

One of the main reasons why the funds are no longer there is that there are people who unknowingly made illegitimate gains from this scheme.

For example: 100 people put 100USD in a ponzi scheme (10,000 USD). 30 profited and took out 300USD each (9,000USD) . Only 1000USD will be left as scraps for the 70 to fight on. Oh wait, some of the 30 will still be selfish enough to further fight for a share on the 1,000USD scraps.

What about filing case on a Nick (something) of National for publishing lies ?

Forget about legitimate... I knew I was investing in Forex (which fluctuates) and I have common sense to understand "higher returns, means higher risk". I was aware I may run into a loss.
All the clients who have filed complaints and cases looking to dump the responsibility of their decisions on EG. Who makes investments without evaluating the risks ? of course, nobody does. Not the smart ones.

So we are among people who didn't go to court yet, any information that you are aware of about any settlements? or the only way is to hire a lawyer and go to court?

Ihab – I suggest you visit the police station to get the correct status. Take along the article published by National (the one advertising Carlton).
 
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Well it seems that everybody is becoming a lawyer now because of different opinion and speculations. Only God knows what will happen next as everybody does their part. I guess its time to move on start your new life, unless people involve in this Ponzi scheme (as some says) listen on what GOD whisper to them. :). Admit it that there is a point in time that you will make a wrong decisions and these are one of those. Don't loose hope, keep on believing that you're hard earned money will come back in a better way. For all those people fighting for their investment, All The Best! hope you recover something as the time goes by. But remember, be vigilant to those people you are asking for help or to those helping you to get back your money (you know who they are... hehehehe) and to those (you know who you are...hahahaha) please, stop milking these poor investor think of their family who are also suffering, for sure you have family as well so give them a chance to know that there is still a light over the tunnel and don't put a food over your table which comes from (?????). By the way, i've got 2 accounts for this Ponzi scheme (as some says again) and i did not file a case, maybe i'm dumb and i don't have money. lols... But one thing for sure whoever behind this mess, It will be 1Million % sure that somebody is waiting for them in HELL... So i hope next time everybody will comment with a good result...ciao!

You are right. There are too many advisors and less clients here. And the advisors chat among themselves and like each other’s post. Thanks to them, this forum is very engaging (even if they follow the policy of "if you cant convince them, confuse them).
 
Sorry I had not quite finished my response yet and then I clicked the wrong button, and the posting was made.

Ihab, let me tell you what is supposed to happen.
Victims file complaints with the police.
The police investigate and gather evidence.
The prosecutor or crown counsel reviews the evidence to determine if the case is strong enough to lay charges.
Assuming there is sufficient evidence then arrest warrants are issued and the defendants are picked up/arrested by the police and held until such time as they can appear before a judge or officer of the peace..
In our society defendants are considered innocent until proven guilty, so a judge must consider granting bail to a defendant unless they are a flight risk (I guess SL or Sydney Lemos or his real name is actually Sydney Marshal Agnelo Lemos must have been considered a flight risk as he was denied bail while awaiting these fraud and theft charges.

Now at some point the courts are supposed to appoint a receiver.(which is usually a law firm or an accounting firm)
A receiver has the lawful authority of the courts to act in the best interest of the creditors, and is therefore now the only person or entity that may claim any assets that are located.
Of course the receiver now needs to hear from all the victims to determine how much was lost.
Have you heard from any receiver yet?
The receiver will want to see paperwork and contracts, and wire transfers, and even any redemption amounts received, to determine who invested what amount and if any investors may have actually recovered any of their investment.
It will be the receivers job to also pay attention to any debts or obligations that Exential and/or TadawulME may have had as well.

The receivers job will take many months as they need to review all the documentation and check all the bank records of the investors as well as Exential's / TadawulME's bank accounts and bank transfers.
If the receiver finds any investors made back more money than what they invested then the receiver will want to receive those excess funds too, and will possibly sue to get them

When the receiver has found all the funds they are capable of finding they then pay themselves first the fees they charge for their services and any other monies they still have remaining are supposed to go back to the investors who lost money.

OK, so here are just some of the problems with this system.
Not all receivers have the experience to trace money around the world as it is transferred from country to country and different jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
In many cases the currency is changed from $USD to $EU and sometimes into precious metals, and many different account names are used.
Often different law firms receive these funds and then transfer them on to other places but because law firms bank accounts (or trust accounts) are protected for privacy, it is sometimes very difficult to track where all the money and wealth went.
In many cases receivers are not experienced in doing this, and so they are unable to find the money that was transferred out of Dubai.

NOW, there is a whole International Asset Recovery Industry that exists in the world, and all these people do is specialize in asset tracing and asset recoveries, because fraud is such a big business internationally all over the world.
Sometimes victims find these Asset Recovery firms themselves and pay them even more fees to go out and see if they can recovery anything, but other times these Asset Recovery firms just happen to find bank accounts that have $millions in them (usually because some of their offshore banking friends find out about the secret account ) - and in this case the only way to secure or freeze or seize those funds is to first find some of the victims who can provide the paperwork that can be used in that local court system in order to get the courts to grant a freeze order. It was exactly for that reason that I first posted on this board, because people I know have located assets and they need to find victims who can step forward and provide proof that this may be their money.


Are you talking about recovering the amazing 15million found all over the world ? A few posts earlier this was difficult to recover, now it seems like this can be achieved J

Chris, you should join forces with Carlton (if not done already!), I am sure they could share the bank details with you, probably shared by their clients already (some 70 or 80 something clients?).

Seriously, 80 something clients with Carlton for this case ? it makes sense why Carlton guys are so desperate trying to show that there are assets (even if belonging to someone else). Their clients should not feel they made a bad decision by spending money on engaging them - they must show assets by hook or by crook. These must be wealthy clients who have multiple accounts and think it was worth spending more money on recovery – I have questions about their IQ, if they say they were not aware about the risks of investing in forex.
 
Hello TheTruthTriumphs;
I have read your recent comment which was made in response to my post reply to Ihab.
Frankly I am having a hard time making sense of or understanding exactly what you are trying to say, or just what point you are trying to make.

You have made some basic assumptions (which are not correct) and jumped to conclusions (which are not correct), and it is difficult for me to determine right now whether you are a rational person or not.
  1. I am not a lawyer - what makes you say that I am? You sound like you are speaking with knowledge or authority but how can you have knowledge when you state I am a lawyer, and I'm not?
  2. I am not part of a law firm - what makes you say that I am? Again you sound like you are speaking with knowledge or authority but how can you have knowledge when you state I am a lawyer, and I'm not?
  3. I challenge you to identify me anywhere in the world practicing as a lawyer, or as being part of a law firm
  4. It is really sad to see how these forums are used by misinformed, ignorant people who just put out information that seems to suit their rant for the day.
  5. I have read some of you past postings and you definitely do repeatedly focus or mention the authorities are on the lookout for people who are defaming Dubai in Forums and in Newspapers - please explain to me how anything I have said could even have remotely defamed Dubai.
I have read some of your other postings just to see if you were able to communicate coherently, and I have to say they are just as confusing and meaningless to me.
I don't think you and I could have a meaningful conversation, so I would ask that you just ignore me from now on, and I will do m y very best to ignore you.


You are not a lawyers ? No way! you could have fooled everyone on this forum. You must be a private investigator with Carlton then; you did make a sales pitch for Carlton few posts earlier. The sales pitch was “creating urgency” and had a “call to action”.

The person above was referring to the false assets that Carlton is claiming belong to SL.Remember I mentioned this to you earlier and you told me shushsh. How convenient that you forgot.

The person is saying that no one can make a claim on assets belonging to someone else, even though the investigators say they belong to SL. Again, remember there is proof. Goa is a small state - the asset information published on the National is incorrect – the car information is available on a public website.How will people believe there are precious metals and bank accounts worldwide !

The real owner of the BMW 007 also owns a 007 bike and hotel - this has been confirmed. How bad for the newspaper, I repeat again - this is a shame.
 
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