Problem Henry Liu - Currency Strength Robot Scam

[Henry Liu]

Now about this returning money you said on your 10k forum that you have changed this to a 60day no questions asked money back guarantee trying to get members to stay so they did and after the 2nd mth nothing had changed big DD still so people tryed to get a refund but you would not stay true to your word and would not give the 60day refund so people had to get a screen shot of your post and go to Plimus to get a refund some people got the refund while others did not as the forum was quickly closed down

This is how you sucked people in so you could keep there money it is all on the 10k skype room those that got it and those that did not

And by the way you misread my post I am saying if this is a honest failure at least play back all the money you have received in subs nothing about the 30day guarantee but for the 10mths this failed program has been running for

After all you are the only one that has made money off this no one has made money from your signals or this robot well no one in the skype chat has that is still running

All the terms and conditions are written with black and white and printed on my website. Never said that there is a 60 days refund or extended the refund policy. Take my words out of context all you want, but the term is very straight forward and clear.

 

[Henry Liu]

I agree..henry says "hearsay" its like WAKE UP henry..all the proof is in your face that PROVES is it a SCAM...

point being said..all the things you "PROMISED" where not considered.

MAKING IT A SCAM!!!!!!!! or how henry likes to explain things

Lets say you go to radio shack..buy a radio and the receipt says 30 day return/refund with receipt..

4 days later you go to return it cause it doesnt work good..and they dont honor it... understand now???

pretty much the same thing you been doing but with more things there were not promised.

SCAM!

I don't understand your analogy on Radio Shack.
I know if you bought something in Radio Shack and you try to return it after 30 days, they will tell you that you can't. If the product is defective, they will ask you to contact manufacturer based on their warranty policy.

If you buy something from Best Buy, after their return policy, you can't return to them, period. Same thing with every retail store that I know of. So, what's your question about 4 days? If you ask 4 days after you joined my program, you'll get your refund, period.

 

[Henry Liu]

O this is not hear say I still have the emails if you want you will be able to find them the first one is on the 4/6/11 then I sent a email on the 12/7/11 following Celvins instructions but no reply so I sent it again on the 14/7/11 Still no reply so there are 2 tickets

Dkami, this is the 3rd time I ask you for the ticket number. Please drop this nonsense or give me the ticket number.

 

[dkami]

All the terms and conditions are written with black and white and printed on my website. Never said that there is a 60 days refund or extended the refund policy. Take my words out of context all you want, but the term is very straight forward and clear.

Thankyou Henry LIE now I have no doubt this is a SCAM and not just a honest failure you have a very short memory don't you Mr LIE

This is the reason the forum was closed down because you did not keep your promise of the 60day return guarantee that you wrote in that forum so the evidence was destroyed when you closed it down

This is how you SCAMED people by saying there is now a 60day return guarantee so people stayed over the 30day policy so you could steel there money

LIE all you want the truth will come out

 

[dkami]

Dkami, this is the 3rd time I ask you for the ticket number. Please drop this nonsense or give me the ticket number.

It will come out when a case has been opened I can assure you

 

[Henry Liu]

It will come out when a case has been opened I can assure you

It is not my intention to turn this into a forum to agitate people who already hate me, for that, I apologize.

Like I said before, I have decided to leave FPA. I wish you all the very best. I won't be making any more news trading analysis or opening up new threads. But...

I will be shutting down any rumor or unsubstantiated claims as they arise. I assure you pretty soon someone will even point out my spelling errors and use that to make their case about how I scam people...


Thank you,

Henry

 

[Henry Liu]

Thankyou Henry LIE now I have no doubt this is a SCAM and not just a honest failure you have a very short memory don't you Mr LIE

This is the reason the forum was closed down because you did not keep your promise of the 60day return guarantee that you wrote in that forum so the evidence was destroyed when you closed it down

This is how you SCAMED people by saying there is now a 60day return guarantee so people stayed over the 30day policy so you could steel there money

LIE all you want the truth will come out

Sigh**** once again taken out of context. In the forum I have posted that if 10kto1mm is nothing but losing trades, I'll be fair about it and I may even extend the guarantee to 60 days. However, we had positive trades and eventually we reached phase I in Nov. of 2010, so whatever implication or promises of 60 days would only apply IF they're all NOTHING but losing trades. If you say that there are screenshots? Well, make sure you post the ENTIRE post, not the part taken out of context... Or it is just another rumor/unsubstantiated allegation.

Forum was closed due to no time to moderate on my part. So it is a business decision to close it. Not to destroy evidence. After all, it is my site, I have the right to close it if I wanted, no? It is afterall, still a free country.

 

[dkami]

Sigh**** once again taken out of context. In the forum I have posted that if 10kto1mm is nothing but losing trades, I'll be fair about it and I may even extend the guarantee to 60 days. However, we had positive trades and eventually we reached phase I in Nov. of 2010, so whatever implication or promises of 60 days would only apply IF they're all NOTHING but losing trades. If you say that there are screenshots? Well, make sure you post the ENTIRE post, not the part taken out of context... Or it is just another rumor/unsubstantiated allegation.

Forum was closed due to no time to moderate on my part. So it is a business decision to close it. Not to destroy evidence. After all, it is my site, I have the right to close it if I wanted, no? It is afterall, still a free country.

You coned people by offering a 60 day money back guarantee before the 30 days was up on your forum to get people to stay then you was not true to your word and people had to go threw Plimus to get the 60day guarantee so my question to you is did anyone get a refund after 30days?

 

[alvin050]

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First, rumors on that maybe my programs didn't start out like scams and are scams right now because I'm still accepting members are false. 10kto1mm stopped accepting members since Nov. of 2010, and CSR has stopped accepting members since the last launch, which is March of 2011. I have not been promoting neither programs until they are in profits.

Henry, why then are the websites for 10kto1mm and CSR still up (as at 31 July 2011, 1800 ET)? With you spouting all your positive promotional material on them. And worse, soliciting names/email from people who may be interested. In actual fact, you know the dismal cumulative performance of these programs, but nowhere in these 2 websites is that reflected. So you ARE still promoting these programs, and indirectly, any other services associated with you through these 2 webpages. That IS misleading advertising!

Sixth, There are also other people in this thread who saw the inconsistencies and made a few comments about it. They were attacked immediately. If you want to sound reasonable without any agenda, then you need to let other people talk. By shutting down every single person who has a different opinion than you, you are in essence demonstrating that the real purpose of this thread is to bash Henry Liu. It is the goal of this thread, after all, isn't it?

Are you referring to hoskos (posts #81 and #84) and Jason (post #93) who spoke in your favor? If you looked at their posts and the words (joker, idiot, fool, turds, 90 IQ, script kiddie, retarded, intellectually disenfranchised, dumb, etc) they used against other people, who is attacking who? Of course I replied sharply and they are free to reply as well. Nobody is shutting them down.

Ninth, 10kto1MM did reach phase I, we turned $10,000 into $14,600, and we started phase II. Then it did not do so well. But it is a lie for anyone to deny that we never reached Phase I. So that's another scam claim busted.

Henry, here is where your ugly dishonest intent is seen. The fact that you only highlight positive history, but withhold the ugly current performance in the 10kto1mm website is fraud. Have you heard of the concept called mark-to-market? Why don't you show the live statement results and let people judge for themselves?

Tenth, someone mentioned that I've guaranteed that we will reach 300K in return. That's not true. I said in the webinar that although I cannot guarantee anything, I do believe that there is a possibility to reach 300K. Let me add that I still believe we could do it.

That someone is me. As I mentioned in post #76, I attended your webinar and you used words akin to guaranteeing to reach 300K, if not 1 million. At that time, many potential subscribers like myself were rightly sceptical of being able to reach 1 million from 10K. Therefore, your "assurance" of reaching 300K, if not 1 million, was the final deal clincher for us. Of course I do not have the concrete proof of this, but if you have a recording of that webinar, pls send it to me. If I am wrong about this, you have my apologies.

The people who stayed, and there is a good number of them, are profitable. I have emails and testimonials to say that. But of course, if I post them here, people "who attack anyone without reason" will just say that they are made up... But it is a question that I must ask, why do people stay when the program is considered failure? And the answer, the most likely answer, is that the program is working for them... Think about it...

How could people make money from the programs if your own live statements show negative? Don't your live statements show all the signals provided by your programs. Are you implying that people could be profitable if they only took the profitable signals and not the losing ones? Or some people who joined the program later and fortuitously avoided the great DD trades? What a laugh! Furthermore, you assume wrongly that people stay cos the program is working for them. If you read the posts, many stayed hoping that the program would turnaround and recoup the losses, and you like to feed their hopes of future performance, even now.

Last but not least, let me just say that I sympathize those of you who have lost money in my services. It was never my intention and I am going to bring them back to profits as soon as I can. For those who have already left my services, what I can do for you is that I will be offering more resources on trading in the future, and that hopefully they will be able to help you in anyway possible, as you are free to use them as you see fit...

I don't understand why you still persist in wanting to offer your services in forex. With your history in Collective 2, Mr X, 10kto1mm, CSR, etc. All resulted in massive losses for your subscribers, with no direct apology or compensation from you. Nobody gives a cracked dime for your "sympathy". Any ordinary forex trader who suffered a period of bad trading would switch to demo until he/she had solved the issue to be consistently profitable, and then only return to live trading. Not you it seems, who did not learn from past mistakes, and continue to inflict losses on subscribers and hatch new schemes.

 

[Henry Liu]

Henry, why then are the websites for 10kto1mm and CSR still up (as at 31 July 2011, 1800 ET)? With you spouting all your positive promotional material on them. And worse, soliciting names/email from people who may be interested. In actual fact, you know the dismal cumulative performance of these programs, but nowhere in these 2 websites is that reflected. So you ARE still promoting these programs, and indirectly, any other services associated with you through these 2 webpages. That IS misleading advertising!

I don't need to shutdown my sites. No one can join either of my programs until they are into the positive. Shutting down my sites and not taking on new customers are totally two different things. I don't see any reason to answer the former as it is my business decision, not yours.

Are you referring to hoskos (posts #81 and #84) and Jason (post #93) who spoke in your favor? If you looked at their posts and the words (joker, idiot, fool, turds, 90 IQ, script kiddie, retarded, intellectually disenfranchised, dumb, etc) they used against other people, who is attacking who? Of course I replied sharply and they are free to reply as well. Nobody is shutting them down.

It does seem that everyone else, maybe not you, think that they are fake accounts created by me. If what they said have any merits, then you should allow their opinions to co-exist. You seem like a reasonable bloke, aside from Jason, I think the other two didn't attack anyone, but regardless, they do deserve to be here as much as anyone else.

Henry, here is where your ugly dishonest intent is seen. The fact that you only highlight positive history, but withhold the ugly current performance in the 10kto1mm website is fraud. Have you heard of the concept called mark-to-market? Why don't you show the live statement results and let people judge for themselves?

10kto1mm and CSR are both private programs. I have the right to privacy as much as the next person. As long as I am not soliciting any more clients, where is the law that says I have to disclose the mark-to-market value? I think you must be mistakingly think that I am a public traded company regulated by the SEC or something.

That someone is me. As I mentioned in post #76, I attended your webinar and you used words akin to guaranteeing to reach 300K, if not 1 million. At that time, many potential subscribers like myself were rightly sceptical of being able to reach 1 million from 10K. Therefore, your "assurance" of reaching 300K, if not 1 million, was the final deal clincher for us. Of course I do not have the concrete proof of this, but if you have a recording of that webinar, pls send it to me. If I am wrong about this, you have my apologies.

I don't want your apology. I got a feeling you won't give it anyways, even if I send you the video. As a matter of fact, you will probably say you are sorry but then turn around and look for 10 more things to accuse me. It is a lose-lose proposition for me. I will ask my guy to look for it, but I can't promise anything.

How could people make money from the programs if your own live statements show negative? Don't your live statements show all the signals provided by your programs. Are you implying that people could be profitable if they only took the profitable signals and not the losing ones? Or some people who joined the program later and fortuitously avoided the great DD trades? What a laugh! Furthermore, you assume wrongly that people stay cos the program is working for them. If you read the posts, many stayed hoping that the program would turnaround and recoup the losses, and you like to feed their hopes of future performance, even now.

I don't presume that you have spoken with everyone that ever joined my program, and the same way you are pointing that my assumption is wrong, so is yours. You can give the same signal to 100 people, and I can tell you, you will get almost 100 different results. So don't try assume anything when it comes to trading.

I don't understand why you still persist in wanting to offer your services in forex. With your history in Collective 2, Mr X, 10kto1mm, CSR, etc. All resulted in massive losses for your subscribers, with no direct apology or compensation from you. Nobody gives a cracked dime for your "sympathy". Any ordinary forex trader who suffered a period of bad trading would switch to demo until he/she had solved the issue to be consistently profitable, and then only return to live trading. Not you it seems, who did not learn from past mistakes, and continue to inflict losses on subscribers and hatch new schemes.

You have your opinion and you are entitled to it. I have thousands of Mastermind students who are saying otherwise. As a matter of fact, my mentoring service has almost a 5-star rating even in FPA. So go figure, Alvin.

At the end of the day, I have yet to see anyone with any proof that I am scamming people. This is, after all, a forum for scamming alert?

I wonder...