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CaesarTrade

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Josh ( cheater) alot of people are still waiting that you will explain about this crap demands from your affiliate.
Sir,

Comparing negotiations with an IB and issues related to compliance are like comparing apples to oranges. Once compliance issues become relevant, all issues related to IB negotiations become a moot point. You are no longer an IB, you sir are a scoundrel and a cheat or in the words of this forum, a SCAM.

As you claim to have so much "material" so do we... Such as our conversation which begain on May 5, 2014 related to the compliance review... where you consistantly refused to cooperate... Since early MAy we have been begging you to provide us with the information needed to deal with the compliance review, but you refuse to cooperate. You claim to have sent us more than 4 clients information... but we have never received it. If you have it, you can still send it today!

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[5/7/2014 11:06:32 AM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: hello josh
[5/7/2014 12:13:53 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: hello
[5/7/2014 12:14:01 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: how r u sir
[5/7/2014 12:14:18 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: good
[5/7/2014 12:14:40 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: any update josh?
[5/7/2014 12:15:30 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: we need to be able to contact all of your clients directly, and i can't do that with your phone number on each account
[5/7/2014 12:15:34 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: do you have the phone #s"?
[5/7/2014 12:16:31 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: its gonna be long process
[5/7/2014 12:23:19 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: ok
[5/7/2014 12:23:38 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i gave u 1 easy proposal
[5/7/2014 12:23:55 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: what is the prob on that?
[5/7/2014 12:24:09 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: pay you money that you were already paid on accounts that are fraudulant?
[5/7/2014 12:24:37 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: you are using word fraudlant again which is not acceptable
[5/7/2014 12:24:52 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: none of the accounts that you set up are actual individuals that we can prove...
[5/7/2014 12:25:02 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: they were all registered from he same IP address in Pakistan...
[5/7/2014 12:25:16 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: further, they all have your phone number and email addresses that you most likely control.
[5/7/2014 12:25:24 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: obviously they register from same ip

BECAUSE THEY WERE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE!

[5/7/2014 12:25:31 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: You were the only method of payment into these accounts
[5/7/2014 12:25:36 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Saad, you are a fraud


[5/7/2014 12:25:46 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: you are mother****er
[5/7/2014 12:25:52 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: lier
[5/7/2014 12:26:15 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now i am not gonna stop my clients


Such strong language and threatening words... but where are all of these clients you say your not going to stop? You are the ONLY ONE CONTRIBUTING TO THIS CONVERSATION!!!


[5/7/2014 12:26:19 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: anymore
[5/7/2014 12:26:37 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u will loose many clients from now on
[5/7/2014 12:26:52 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Sir, I can see that this coversation is heated... we cancontinue it in a day or 2
[5/7/2014 12:27:37 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: no i wont talk with u anymore now u will see my psots in fpa and forexfactory
[5/7/2014 12:28:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i dont need 10k from u but u will loose more than that


[5/7/2014 12:28:52 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i will tell all the 40 clients to make a post in fpa and all other forex sites about u scamemrs


Where are these 40 clients? You only gave us contact infrormation for 4... and they were all in your office. We have recorded calls in Urdu where one admits to working for you.


[5/7/2014 12:29:23 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now its a threat

Nice of you... we never threatened you dear sir...

[5/7/2014 12:29:40 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: why don't you just tell me how to contact the 40 clients so that we can resolve this issue?
[5/7/2014 12:29:59 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: ur man jermy did all these things
[5/7/2014 12:30:00 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I have asked for that many times and you have avoided providing the information
[5/7/2014 12:30:13 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i will give u all the information
[5/7/2014 12:30:18 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: not an issue
[5/7/2014 12:30:25 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: but never say fraud
[5/7/2014 12:30:33 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u ppl are scam
[5/7/2014 12:30:49 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: You need to see this from the perspective of a Compliance department... they investigate fraud...
[5/7/2014 12:31:29 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: We have over 40 clients that all trade from the same IP address in Pakistan, have accounts that were created from the same IP address in Pakistan, all have the same phone number that leads back to you...
[5/7/2014 12:31:41 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: and further, have email addresses that are controlled by you.
[5/7/2014 12:31:58 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am trying to solve that for u and my clients there is nothing for me, thats all jeremy know and your boss scamer ericc know as well
[5/7/2014 12:32:00 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: It's very difficult for them to understand how this isn't a case of Money Laundering.
[5/7/2014 12:32:15 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Everything leads back to you sir.
[5/7/2014 12:32:47 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: and as far as our former Sales Director, you are still speaking with him concerning this matter and he is no longer employed by this company.


[5/7/2014 12:32:52 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am their IB, they open accounts through me and i still have more thn 500 accounts under my ib
[5/7/2014 12:33:05 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: You've stated so much in your FPA post
[5/7/2014 12:33:16 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: but then you place the blame right back on him...
[5/7/2014 12:33:19 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I'm confused.
[5/7/2014 12:33:20 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: at the time of that agreement he was ur employee
[5/7/2014 12:33:43 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: y u r confused?
[5/7/2014 12:33:56 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: He did not manually create the accounts.. you did. He did not fund the accounts, you did. He did not trade for the accounts... you did.
[5/7/2014 12:34:01 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: actually u r rite u people are confused pp
[5/7/2014 12:35:06 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: from now on i wont talk to u, because u dont want to solve that problem, for that 10k u will see how many 10k will loose
[5/7/2014 12:35:25 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: and u can say threat
[5/7/2014 12:35:43 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: or just change the name of the company, work with anotehr name
[5/7/2014 12:35:43 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I need to determine that each client is a true individual
[5/7/2014 12:36:09 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you just told me:
[5/7/2014 12:36:10 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [12:30:00 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I have asked for that many times and you have avoided providing the information
[12:30:13 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i will give u all the information
[5/7/2014 12:36:17 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: so, where is the information?
[5/7/2014 12:36:35 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i talked with jermy as well he told me u ppl are mad and scammer
[5/7/2014 12:36:58 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: which information?
[5/7/2014 12:37:03 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: The phone numbers
[5/7/2014 12:37:14 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: of each client that had funds applied to their account
[5/7/2014 12:37:57 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats what i am saying i can provide those numbers, i need u to apology because u said fraud
[5/7/2014 12:38:14 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u ppl are the one who scam
[5/7/2014 12:38:17 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: but saad, this is a fraud investigation...
[5/7/2014 12:38:30 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: we need to prove that it's not... because at the moment it appears to be
[5/7/2014 12:38:44 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am richer then ur company i dont need that ****ing 10k only
[5/7/2014 12:38:50 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: and I have requested this information MANY times and you never provide it
[5/7/2014 12:38:54 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats fir the client
[5/7/2014 12:39:06 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u never asked me before
[5/7/2014 12:39:33 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: rather than cursing at me, why don't you provide me with the unique contact informaton for each funded client so that we can close this investigation and move forward.
[5/7/2014 12:40:03 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I can copy and paste each request that I made from skype if you like... or you can scroll back in the conversation.
[5/7/2014 12:40:06 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: your choice...
[5/7/2014 12:40:34 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i dont have that much time to do that u copy paste with the date
[5/7/2014 12:41:41 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am waiting send me here
[5/7/2014 12:41:42 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Monday, May 5, 2014 1:21 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< Saad, there were many problems with the way these clients were onboarded into our system. It has created a regulatory nightmare because of Anti-Money Laundering Rules and Know your client compliance that we are obligated to adhere to. I'm sure we can work together to fix the compliance issues. We will need direct contact with each client in order to make a decision on opening their accounts to trading. As far as the financial aspect between you and Caesar Trade, we will need to receive new deposits in order to consider opening the existing client accounts (after we receive accurate contact information). Please keep in mind, the compensation that you received is considered a refund of client deposits due to the compliance issues. The CPA payments at 100% or 50% do not apply at this time because the money sent to you was a refund due to compliance issues. Any remaining funds were payment of fees due to the problems.
[5/7/2014 12:42:14 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Monday, May 5, 2014 12:32 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< Saad, when we attempted to contact your clients we have run into a problem...
All 46 clients tht deposited funds have the same exact phone number...
no one has a unique number


[5/7/2014 12:42:38 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats 5th of the month my answer was, i gave u proposal on that u said let me think on that
[5/7/2014 12:42:45 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:15 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< we need to be able to contact all of your clients directly, and i can't do that with your phone number on each account
[5/7/2014 12:42:55 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:29 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< why don't you just tell me how to contact the 40 clients so that we can resolve this issue?
[5/7/2014 12:43:05 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats today
[5/7/2014 12:43:08 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:39 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< rather than cursing at me, why don't you provide me with the unique contact informaton for each funded client so that we can close this investigation and move forward.
[5/7/2014 12:43:13 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats today
[5/7/2014 12:43:26 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: give me old conversation
[5/7/2014 12:43:33 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: dont be smart ok
[5/7/2014 12:43:37 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: actually, the first quote that I sent to you was Monday
[5/7/2014 12:43:47 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: yes i reply on that as well
[5/7/2014 12:43:55 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: all of them is today
[5/7/2014 12:44:22 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Wednesday, May 7, 2014 12:41 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< [Monday, May 5, 2014 1:21 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager:

<<< Saad, there were many problems with the way these clients were onboarded into our system. It has created a regulatory nightmare because of Anti-Money Laundering Rules and Know your client compliance that we are obligated to adhere to. I'm sure we can work together to fix the compliance issues. We will need direct contact with each client in order to make a decision on opening their accounts to trading. As far as the financial aspect between you and Caesar Trade, we will need to receive new deposits in order to consider opening the existing client accounts (after we receive accurate contact information). Please keep in mind, the compensation that you received is considered a refund of client deposits due to the compliance issues. The CPA payments at 100% or 50% do not apply at this time because the money sent to you was a refund due to compliance issues. Any remaining funds were payment of fees due to the problems.

[5/7/2014 12:44:39 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Monday, May 5
[5/7/2014 12:44:50 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats what i am sayin
[5/7/2014 12:44:56 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i gave u replyy on that
[5/7/2014 12:45:03 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Please sir, cooperate in this investigation by providing the informatoin requested...
[5/7/2014 12:45:03 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: for 5th
[5/7/2014 12:45:17 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you did not reply with unique phone numbers for each client
[5/7/2014 12:45:25 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i will cooperate with u but i am saying u cant say fraud to me
[5/7/2014 12:45:39 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you are not cooperating in this investigation...
[5/7/2014 12:45:55 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: provide the numbers to me now without conditions and we can move forward.
[5/7/2014 12:46:26 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: if u are asking info thats mean if i will provide the numbers thats mean all the accounts are not fake, then why did u say fraud
[5/7/2014 12:46:27 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: ?
[5/7/2014 12:46:52 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: before everything is finalize
[5/7/2014 12:46:59 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: But because you have so far refused to provide the information to us, all I can assume is that they are fake
[5/7/2014 12:47:02 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: until proven otherwise
[5/7/2014 12:47:10 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: no i never refused
[5/7/2014 12:47:19 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: send me when did i refused
[5/7/2014 12:47:57 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: tell me when did i refused
[5/7/2014 12:48:04 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: so stop talking about it and start sending the information
[5/7/2014 12:48:18 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u have to apology first
[5/7/2014 12:48:54 PM | Edited 12:50:26 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I'm sorry that you took offense to what I said. Now, please send the phone numbers so we can move this process forward.
[5/7/2014 12:50:20 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am going to provide those number to with in 2 days, but until then i am gonna tell my clients they can post aginst you and your company anywhere, i stoped them to do that
[5/7/2014 12:50:52 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Provide the information so that we can continue this compliance rewiew as quickly as possible.
[5/7/2014 12:51:01 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now you are taking too much, so i cant stop them anymore
[5/7/2014 12:51:22 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: this could have been done had you sent me the infomation on Monday when we asked for it
[5/7/2014 12:51:24 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: dont blame on me on that
[5/7/2014 12:52:05 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: dont lie on that, on monday u told me i am gonna think about the proposal and it was ok for u that time
[5/7/2014 12:52:15 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u want me to send u that chat?
[5/7/2014 12:52:57 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I sent you a request on Monday that asked for the phone numbers...
[5/7/2014 12:53:07 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I have quoted that back to you twice in this conversation.
[5/7/2014 12:53:17 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Send the information please
[5/7/2014 12:54:19 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: [5/5/2014 4:05:52 PM] sm saad: if you withdraw all the accounts its gonna be 11000$ may be i am not sure about exact amount... ?
[5/5/2014 4:06:45 PM] sm saad: just pay 70% and i will give withdraw to all of clients
[5/5/2014 4:07:23 PM] sm saad: i will bear 30% from my pocket
[5/5/2014 4:13:38 PM] sm saad: is that make sense to u?
[5/5/2014 4:15:18 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: it does, but we cant make any decisions until compliance is complete.
[5/7/2014 12:55:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now today u r saying i asked u the contact info
[5/7/2014 12:55:12 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: and quoted to me
[5/7/2014 12:55:19 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: dont play game with me
[5/7/2014 12:55:38 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I'm not playing games... just send me the phone numbers within the next 2 days as you promised above...
[5/7/2014 12:55:43 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: and we will move the process along.
[5/7/2014 12:56:50 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: ok i am gonna do that, but do remember until u resolve that, i am wont responible whatever my clients do on social media or fpa or forexfactory to defame
[5/7/2014 1:13:29 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: assuming they are all individual clients, I understand...
[5/7/2014 1:14:15 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: yes they are and u will see
[5/7/2014 1:14:58 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: can contact and will see on different websites
[5/7/2014 2:53:49 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: rather than continuing to threaten us with negative reviews, please be constructive and provide the requested information.

[5/7/2014 2:55:08 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u too also dont say fraud to me next time, and i am not gona therat next time i will do and let u know
[5/7/2014 2:56:06 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i dont care about money if u respect me i will respect you
[5/7/2014 3:00:12 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Saad, the issue is this... the activity that surrounds the accounts that you are associated with contain activity that has set off warnings of potential fraud. These warnings came from the legal department who moved the entire matter to compliance for a fraud review. We are obligated by law to do this. Also, we need you to cooperate. Without cooperation, it makes it seem like it is definately fraud. With your cooperation it could clear everything up and let us all move forward.
[5/7/2014 3:02:00 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u alreadt made ur mind about that, whatever i will do, final decision alreade made by you
[5/7/2014 3:02:37 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: You are wrong about that
[5/7/2014 3:02:41 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: 100% wrong
[5/7/2014 3:02:51 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: and u ppl are 200% wrong
[5/7/2014 3:02:56 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u know why?
[5/7/2014 3:03:02 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: We need to prove that all of the accounts are true individuals
[5/7/2014 3:03:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i will send u something
[5/7/2014 3:03:11 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: do you have any of the phone numbers for me yet?
[5/7/2014 3:03:19 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: help me prove that these clients are real
[5/7/2014 3:03:28 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I want nothing more than that
[5/7/2014 3:06:50 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: [4:04:33 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: we need fresh money...
[4:04:51 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: $15,000 in deposits is the basis point since we lost $ on the last set
[4:05:04 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you told us 500 customers in the past, that never happened.
[4:05:16 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: when you can meet the requirements above, let me know.
[5/7/2014 3:07:13 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u need fresh money itherwise u wont open old accounts
[5/7/2014 3:07:20 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats what u want
[5/7/2014 3:07:22 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Everything that you have quoted above is not valid at the moment
[5/7/2014 3:07:31 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: it is valid
[5/7/2014 3:07:37 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: We are not permitted to accept any money from you or the cients that are associated with you
[5/7/2014 3:07:40 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats y u closed our accounts
[5/7/2014 3:07:51 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: All dealings with you are on hold pending the fraud review
[5/7/2014 3:08:10 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I'm not allowed to open, close, fund, refund any accounts related to you or your clients.
[5/7/2014 3:08:16 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: your accounts are not closed.
[5/7/2014 3:08:31 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: do even think about that i am gonna bring any client to u
[5/7/2014 3:08:38 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: it is close
[5/7/2014 3:08:41 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: freezed
[5/7/2014 3:09:12 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: The accounds are supended pending the review
[5/7/2014 3:09:25 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: there is a legal department block on the accounts
[5/7/2014 3:09:46 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: no money in, no money out, no new registrations of any kind
[5/7/2014 3:10:10 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: and look josh i dont have that much time for scamers like u, i already emailed all the clients to send me their contact info, as soon as i will get that i will send to u
[5/7/2014 3:10:10 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: [Wednesday, May 7, 2014 3:08 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad:

<<< do even think about that i am gonna bring any client to u
[5/7/2014 3:10:23 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: dont even think
[5/7/2014 3:10:37 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: No, I don't
[5/7/2014 3:10:44 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: good for u
[5/7/2014 3:10:58 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: and as I stated, I couldn't do it EVEN IF I WANTED TO
[5/7/2014 3:11:26 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i have enough material to prove u ppl a scam
[5/7/2014 3:11:40 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: again its not thraet
[5/7/2014 3:11:59 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i know the decision already so i made my mind too
[5/7/2014 3:12:04 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: why are you spending all this time making assucations to me rather than spending the time getting me the contact infromation that we requested/
[5/7/2014 3:12:21 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Why does it take 2 days to do it? (even though we will wait the 2 days you say)
[5/7/2014 3:12:48 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: what do think i am working for junk ppl like u and erin?
[5/7/2014 3:13:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i have many things to do as well
[5/7/2014 3:13:09 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: You told me you would send it... the quicker we get it, the quicker we can resolve this issue
[5/7/2014 3:13:12 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: isn't that what you want?
[5/7/2014 3:13:18 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am not ur employee
[5/7/2014 3:13:35 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I never suggested that you were... but you seen to think I am yours...
[5/7/2014 3:14:09 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: we have our own procedures we will go with that
[5/7/2014 3:14:45 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now iam going to wait till all clients will do somthing against you by theirselves
[5/7/2014 3:15:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u will get the contact info dont worry
[5/7/2014 3:15:48 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i told them to wait till friday, and do whatever they want to do after that
[5/7/2014 3:16:51 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: can you give me 5 phone numbers for some of the accounts right now?
[5/7/2014 3:17:01 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I'll give you the names of 5
[5/7/2014 3:17:05 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: we can start with that
[5/7/2014 3:17:14 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: then we don't have to wait intil friday
[5/7/2014 3:17:30 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: again i am not ur employe all the clients email their nos from their emails
[5/7/2014 3:17:46 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u can contact them and answer them
[5/7/2014 3:17:47 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you want this resolved quickly, right?
[5/7/2014 3:18:20 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: no i dont want now, i want see all the clients will active against u
[5/7/2014 3:18:39 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: its between u and clients now
[5/7/2014 3:19:00 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: so, you'd rather have your clients attempt to damage us, all while you are damaging them by not cooperating?
[5/7/2014 3:19:20 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u need contact info dont u?
[5/7/2014 3:19:26 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: yes
[5/7/2014 3:19:33 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: today would be better than in 2 days
[5/7/2014 3:19:35 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: why the delay?
[5/7/2014 3:19:35 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u will get their email
[5/7/2014 3:19:41 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you were the one that was in a hurry
[5/7/2014 3:19:54 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you mean the emails that I have arn't correct?
[5/7/2014 3:20:02 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I need the phone numbers
[5/7/2014 3:20:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i was hurry because all the clients wre asking me
[5/7/2014 3:20:08 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: everyone will receive a compliance call
[5/7/2014 3:20:19 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: then help your clients by giving me the phone numbers today
[5/7/2014 3:21:24 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now already email them to give their nos to u directly, and from today u and company is direct i am not gonna involve in this
[5/7/2014 3:21:59 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: so, you are telling me that you don't have the phone numbers of your clients/
[5/7/2014 3:22:06 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Lets make this easy...
[5/7/2014 3:22:09 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i have it
[5/7/2014 3:22:12 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Start with just 1 random client...
[5/7/2014 3:22:18 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Abid Ali
[5/7/2014 3:22:22 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: what is his phone number?
[5/7/2014 3:22:40 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i told u i am not under ur comapny i will also go legally
[5/7/2014 3:22:57 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: they will email by theirselves
[5/7/2014 3:23:05 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u can call them
[5/7/2014 3:23:07 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: so, your telling me that you do not want to cooperate
[5/7/2014 3:23:12 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: thats a shame
[5/7/2014 3:23:13 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am
[5/7/2014 3:23:22 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i emailed them for u
[5/7/2014 3:23:59 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: they will send email u asap
[5/7/2014 3:24:31 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: show some goodwill... let us get these verifications done
[5/7/2014 3:24:39 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you've admitted to having the phone numbers...
[5/7/2014 3:24:42 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: send me just 1
[5/7/2014 3:24:58 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Abid Ali
[5/7/2014 3:24:59 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: yes i do have i cant give u without the permission of our clients
[5/7/2014 3:25:14 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats y i emailed them
[5/7/2014 3:25:17 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I thought they were our clients... registered on our system
[5/7/2014 3:25:32 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: so..?
[5/7/2014 3:26:01 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: what you are telling me is that you maintain full control of these clients and they don't do anything without your say so
[5/7/2014 3:26:06 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: hmmm
[5/7/2014 3:26:11 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: y dont u email them and ask contact info?
[5/7/2014 3:26:30 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: because we don't believe the contact information we have on any of the clients is valid
[5/7/2014 3:26:45 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: are u dumb?
[5/7/2014 3:26:51 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: we need to have our compliance officer who speaks Urdu call each and every client and speak to them
[5/7/2014 3:27:09 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am saying they will provide u a contact info so u can call them
[5/7/2014 3:27:42 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: do whatever u want
[5/7/2014 3:27:57 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: email them and ask a contact nos
[5/7/2014 3:28:24 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: they will email u their nos and u call them and see how many clients are ok
[5/7/2014 3:28:52 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: so I guess we'll have to wait then
[5/7/2014 3:29:01 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: the longer I have to wait, the longer the process will take
[5/7/2014 3:29:07 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: we are ready to move on this today...
[5/7/2014 3:29:11 PM | Edited 3:29:17 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: it appears you are not
[5/7/2014 3:29:27 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i am
[5/7/2014 3:29:53 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u already have their emails so plz email them
[5/7/2014 3:30:21 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: you think we havn't done that already?
[5/7/2014 3:30:30 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i dont know
[5/7/2014 3:31:06 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I find it strange that we have never heard from any of your clients directly considering this is a financial issue for them directly
[5/7/2014 3:31:25 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: they emailed you i guess
[5/7/2014 3:31:58 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: not 1
[5/7/2014 3:32:14 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: thats mean u r lier
[5/7/2014 3:32:16 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: generally, when a client's account is frozen, we hear from them almost immediately...
[5/7/2014 3:32:28 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: but in this case, you are the only person we have ever heard from
[5/7/2014 3:32:33 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: 5 clients fwd ur email to me about ur response
[5/7/2014 3:32:47 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Lier is actually spelled Liar... FYI
[5/7/2014 3:33:45 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: so plz email them today they will send u their info
[5/7/2014 3:50:37 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: All 49 clients have been emailed
[5/7/2014 3:50:43 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: now we wll wait on them
[5/7/2014 4:14:04 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: ok good luck
[5/7/2014 4:45:38 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Good luck? If you would provide the phone numbers to me without an arguement we could be moving this to a finish ASAP but I hope that you realize that waiting for replies will do nothing more than delay the process longer.
[5/7/2014 4:55:09 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i told u many times already u email them they will provide their contact inf
[5/8/2014 2:04:38 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: Saad, please check your email. All further communication from our company will be delivered that way.
[5/8/2014 2:05:40 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i dont care, u will get all the nos directly from the clients, i will make sure all the clients will post @ fpa and tell eveyone that u ppl are scam
[5/8/2014 2:06:11 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: now its up to u and all the clients how both associate each other
[5/8/2014 2:18:23 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I have emailed you sir. Please check your email and do as you wish. We can no longer maintain a dialogue with you.
[5/8/2014 2:19:23 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: i already told you if i will provide you all the contact info u will still block the accounts, scam ppl do that
[5/8/2014 2:19:44 PM] Josh - Caesar Trade Operations Manager: I actually need to block you now sir. Have a nice day.
[5/8/2014 2:19:53 PM] BLOCKED: Affiliate # 200 & 247: SM Saad: u alreay email all the clients so do whatever u want to do with ur clients
 
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Yes this conversation is right, and people can see that in the conversation that i always told that those are real clients. He always raising the point that all the accounts registered from same IP. Please some IB tell this cheater that if you work as a IB all the accounts will be register from same ip, regarding the contact informations from clients, 38 clients emailed you their contact information, and many of them recived calls from cheaters. They told all clients that your accounts will be restore soon. Now this lier obviously wont show those email here. And about that harsh language on skype, its nothing they deserve more than that. Their EX Sales Director Jeremy called me as well and requested finish that in FPA, because Eric and Josh trying to threating him. Again i am doing all this to tell people about this scam company, i am not doing to recover all accounts, because we know that scam companies never give funds back to the clients. If people will loose their funds while trading those scammers will be more than happy and help you to loose more quickly. On the other hand if u will make some profit, cheaters will do the same thing they did with my clients. i already saved some clients who were trap from those cheaters already. I got some emails from people who thanked me on that. I know cheaters also know them. i am gonna continue to save people.
 

CaesarTrade

CaesarTrade.com Representative
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Yes this conversation is right, and people can see that in the conversation that i always told that those are real clients. He always raising the point that all the accounts registered from same IP. Please some IB tell this cheater that if you work as a IB all the accounts will be register from same ip, regarding the contact informations from clients, 38 clients emailed you their contact information, and many of them recived calls from cheaters. They told all clients that your accounts will be restore soon. Now this lier obviously wont show those email here. And about that harsh language on skype, its nothing they deserve more than that. Their EX Sales Director Jeremy called me as well and requested finish that in FPA, because Eric and Josh trying to threating him. Again i am doing all this to tell people about this scam company, i am not doing to recover all accounts, because we know that scam companies never give funds back to the clients. If people will loose their funds while trading those scammers will be more than happy and help you to loose more quickly. On the other hand if u will make some profit, cheaters will do the same thing they did with my clients. i already saved some clients who were trap from those cheaters already. I got some emails from people who thanked me on that. I know cheaters also know them. i am gonna continue to save people.
and people can see that in the conversation that i always told that those are real clients. He always raising the point that all the accounts registered from same IP. Please some IB tell this cheater that if you work as a IB all the accounts will be register from same ip, regarding the contact informations from clients, 38 clients emailed you their contact information, and many of them recived calls from cheaters.
But only 4 (not 38 (or 40 or 50 as you've stated in past posts)) ever emailed us back with their contact information and KYC Docs. You told us in the Skype Chat that we would have all clients information in 2 days... It's been a month now and we still don't have all 4... Further, their emails back to us all originated to us from the same IP address and when we called them, one acknowledged that they worked for you. So, not only did all of your clients register from the same IP address, but when emailed individually we received their replies back FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS

Now this lier obviously wont show those email here.
We need to receive emails in order to show them here. The 4 that we received were already shown in this forum, and screen shots are available here in this post.

And about that harsh language on skype, its nothing they deserve more than that.
If you are reducing yourself to using that type of language, what kind of man are you? Not one I would want speaking to my mother, sister or grandmother...

I got some emails from people who thanked me on that. I know cheaters also know them. i am gonna continue to save people.
Hallelujah!!!

And on that note, we now consider this matter closed. If you have anything further to add, please direct your comments to compliance@caesartrade.com or to the FSCL in New Zealand. Have a great weekend and HAPPY TRADING!!!
 

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fxnewstraders

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I have opened an account with them on Monday last week. I arranged specific spreads etc with Eric directly before funding my account. It has been more than week now and I have not received the spreads that was promised.

I have contacted Eric many times about this - and his answer is always he gave this through to his staff in NY and it will be done. After more than a week - still nothing.

Secondly - the biggest issue here is that I Ceasar Trade is not giving me market related prices when trading. I have 3 other accounts with JFD Brokers, Global Prime and Sensus. I trade the same strategy on all these accounts and they are all running from my VPS in New York.

When comparing my trades between the broker accounts - I get an average of 50 pips PER DAY less with Ceasar trade than my other accounts.

I have spent the time to create an excel spreadsheet showing the variances between the broker accounts. I have also exported my trading history of all the accounts and sent them to Eric and Josh.

When opening trades I usually loose a pip or two - but when closing trades I get a 3 to 6 pips worse price with them.

Today the trading variance between them and my other broker accounts is 60 pips. Again I took the time to attach proof and sent it to Eric.

Nothing new here - just the same old same old - we are busy investigating this and we are busy reviewing this etc etc - but nothing else happens.

They made another promise to give me answers by 16:00 local time - its 17:15 local time now - and as usual still not response from them.

This is serious - if you loose 50 to 60 pips a day with Ceasar Trade - how can you be profitable?

I see this as being dishonest and unethical. There is just no way that my three other broker accounts gets almost 100% the same performance each day - but Ceasar Trade gets 50 to 60 pips less.

I will update you if I someday get an answer from them. If I do not get a response I will lodge a complaint with the New Zealand Financial Services Board and I will provide them with all the proof I have got.

UPDATE : Eric replied saying that he feels that their firm is reasonable and fair with their trading conditions : so it is fine for them to take 50 pips per day from traders - he does not see any issue with that
 
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i re-write this speacially to:

CaesarTrade
CaesarTrade is offline CaesarTrade.com Representative

This is my problem: I have 2 live accounts and since the "system upgrade" i cannot access both of them, simply it just appears as "invalid account" at the MT4 platform, and incorrect password at the mycaesartrade.com "new platform". I have sent several, i really mean SEVERAL emails (2 digits amount of total emails sent from a two weeks ago) and my problem isnt solve, in fact it is far to be.
Now i do think that this company has one of two (or even both) types off failure, either is a FRAUD in the sense that they have a PONZI SCHEME (uses new victims to fund operations because its a short-sustainable fraud business) or they are operationally incompetent maybe they are just 2 or 3 people trying to runn an online broker, in a game-fashion intention.

I have tried to stablish communication to this emails without ANY OTHER SUCCESS THAN A SHORT-OBTUSE RESPONSE FROM ERIC HARBOR: “CONTACT SUPPORT ” (of course they never respond misteriously).

neil@caesartrade.com
support@caesartrade.com
eric@caesartrade.com
eric.harbor@caesartrade.com

Anyone please share what useful information that may have. Share it trhough here in order to be available to everybody. I am no trying to sell you anything or discredit vaguely CAESARTRADE, i just want access to my trading accounts and, in fact at this point, cancell them and recovery my money.
 
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Franciso, sorry to hear that, if will see some old post you might not open an accounts with those craps, they are simply cheaters and in the end they will say, go and file a case in newzeland.
 

MarocT

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only one raison you dont want to i complete the lots requirer but you are a market makers you scam
i share this message Everywhere all forum and forexpeacearmy and all groupe facebook twitter
you very bad brokers scam scam scam


i print all your reply and i have a print sreen
i trade more than 32 lot
i ask our agent gail souza how lots itrade hhh he reply 100 $ to if you want to chek hhh / cheking is free not 100$ big scam
and the brokers changed leverage to 1:25
without any raison
The terms of the bonus are below:
1) We require valid documents: Photo Id and Proof of Address
2) Profits and Bonus can be redeemed after 25 Lots are Traded for every $50 issued.
3) If you lose your bonus, and make a deposit in a regular account, you are still entitled to our welcome bonus
4) One bonus per household
5) The company has the right to cancel the bonus received by a client earlier without giving any reasons and/or advance notice, as well as cancel all transactions made using this bonus.
6) Without a deposit, the bonus expires in 3 months

this is the rules
why you change leverage to 1:25 why ????
the reply is
Caesar Support

Dear adnane xxxx ,
In reply to your inquiry " change leverage":

The dealing desk has the right at their choosing

to adjust the traders leverage.

The matter will not discussed further.
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you change the leverage because you dont want
to i complete the lot require hhhh
Why you not written this in the rules
bis scam
 

845

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без бонусный бонус

мне эта компания дала шанс заработать деньги на мое лечение ....с помощью бонусной программы
 
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The account was registered 11.05.2015 after a conflict with another broker. I lost profit and deposit. There was no desire to quickly make a new deposit. I started to look for different promotions and bonuses, which provide 'No-deposit bonuses'. I was very attracted by the terms of the dealing center, his generous actions. It has been given the entire stage on the official site: Registration - Mark "I like" on FACEBOOK - Register on the Forum - Subscribe to updates in Twitter. Submit a screenshot to specified email for faster confirmation. 19.05 - received the answer to the last condition for granting the bonus.
Achieved!
Pending. The size of the bonus will depend on my future plans and goals. Later, I will write a review, when get a response from the administration.
P.S. "Greed is Good"
 

Zaland

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I have open in December 2015 a live account by caesartrade on 400% base. I have deposit 1250 strling pound and I have recieved 5000 strling pound credit. Regards the %400 condition I must be make 500 lots when I have made 569 lots I have tried to whidtrow a day later i have recievef email that my account must be reviewed a week later was my account closed whit out any reason to know. I have conyact more then 100 time but no respons.
I want to know:
Why is my account closed?
Where is my deposit and profit?
Please give the answer
Gul Mangal
 
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