Economic Review **Current Euro and Greece Situation - 2012**

For what I have learned in life, a Union is stronger than an individual. Even a hand with a finger being cut off will do better that a hand that has only its arm to suntain it. That's my analogy for the Euro Union and the USA. (EURUSD) Greece is not the EUs thumb. It will make no difference to the future of the Euro if Greece is part of it or not. But what would it happen if the USA loses California? Will UK come to "his" rescue? My view is silmply that USA and Japan are walking in a finner line that the EU, simply because they are on their own. I know, USA can "create" a war anytime, anywhere in order to de-stabilize the world and make everybody run for "safe haven" on the USD...
This is a game of fear, not economics....!!!
I'm long on Euro, and so far, it has been fairly effective on my checkbook...!!!

I think you are right. Not about being long on EUR but in general.

I can not exclude that EUR will go to parity with USD, even lower, but do not let be fooled by writings like above: Stavro writes what he was told to write by Big Guys that hold the market and at the moment they want the EUR/USD to go down.
 
Thanks Stavro for you thoughts and I totally agree its only a matter of time before the next bubble bursts,I have only been trading currency for a couple of years and even I can see the manipulation thats going on(bad news comes out after US stock market close,good news comes out before close ect,ect)Im sure a few of FPA members would know Larry Levin and for those who dont I HIGHLY recommend you get his FREE daily emails he literally tells it like it is and this is one of the only blokes I really take any notice of and this is an email from him a while back and think its related to this thread so will copy and paste Please anyone tell me this isnt true?
"You have often heard me say that the market is rigged, which it most certainly is via the Federal Reserve’s overall interest rate “engineering,” as well as outright manipulations through quantitative easing (QE), backdoor bailouts, POMO, massive swap lines, etc.

Many of you believe that national elections are also rigged and therefore predetermined. Perhaps this is true in the USSA and why not; after all, the Fed will stop at nothing to “save” the banking mafia via the few things mentioned above. And there is so much more to list; however, what’s happening in Europe is frightening and that’s what I’ll focus on. What is happening over there is indeed rigged & predetermined; it is now out in the open for all to see; and it is yet again for the benefit of the banking mafia.

1. In early November of 2011 the Prime Minster of Greece, George Papandreou, had the temerity to announce he would allow the people of Greece to vote on a referendum regarding the Greek bailouts, and thus the “austerity” they were going through. The bailouts are wildly unpopular and therefore were sure to fail. This, of course, would go against the predetermined plans for Greece, and by extension the bailouts of the banking mafia. Within hours, Mr. Papandreou was removed from office not by the people of Greece, but by unelected Eurocrats in Brussels.
2. In mid-November of 2011 the Prime Minster of Italy, Silvio Berlusconi, also had the temerity to announce he was unhappy with the talked-about “austerity” that was coming his way when Italian bond yields spiked. This, of course, would go against the predetermined plans for Italy, and by extension the actual bailouts of the banking mafia. Within days, Mr. Berlusconi was removed from office not by the people of Italy, but by pressure from unelected Eurocrats in Brussels. Additionally, the unelected Eurocrats put an ex-banking mafia elitist in charge as its stooge.
3. Recently, Greece has made overtones that future “austerity” will not be welcome. It has done enough for now, Greek politicians say. This goes against the predetermined plan for Greece and may hurt the banking mafia so the pressure has been raised: Germany is demanding that Greece lose it sovereignty. The unelected Germans and Eurocrats in Brussels are demanding that Greece have no future control over its own budget. This has gone too far! How will the Greek people respond to this?
4. Finally, the president of France, Nicolas Sarkozy, has a high probability of losing the upcoming election and since he is part of the unelected bullies that pressure other countries, he must be saved. Losing Sarkozy raises the real possibility that the new president won’t go along with the predetermined outcomes they want for the banking mafia. Therefore, the chancellor of Germany just announced that she will help rig the presidency in France to get the predetermined outcome they all seem to want. She will actively campaign for Sarkozy's re-election.


In the Global Post we read Hermann Gröhe, the general secretary of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), said over the weekend that Merkel would "actively support Nicolas Sarkozy with joint appearances in the election campaign in the spring," The Guardian reported.

"France needs a strong president at its head, and...The UMP and France are in good hands with Nicolas Sarkozy, who has demonstrated foresight," Gröhe said, according to Le Figaro. (Read: Gröhe knows better who should be president of France than the French people and therefore the Germans should intervene…it’s being rigged)

Hermann Gröhe, the general secretary of Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU), said over the weekend that Merkel would "actively support Nicolas Sarkozy with joint appearances in the election campaign in the spring," The Guardian reported.

"I did not know she voted in France," the French president said in an interview with multiple television channels on Sunday evening.

It is a rare move for Merkel; European politicians tend to have an "unspoken pact" to not interfere with other countries' elections, according to the Guardian.

The end of the last sentence should read… European politicians tend to have an "unspoken pact" to not interfere with other countries' elections…until NOW. After all, there are banksters to be bailed out and national sovereignty will never come before a bankster’s profit.

The Onion had this nailed years ago in The Sham Election that you can watch here…
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Any Thoughts Stavro on Larrys email?
 
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I think you are right. Not about being long on EUR but in general.

I can not exclude that EUR will go to parity with USD, even lower, but do not let be fooled by writings like above: Stavro writes what he was told to write by Big Guys that hold the market and at the moment they want the EUR/USD to go down.

What?? I write what i write not what im told. Where did you get that info from?
 
Stavro, I think he/she probably meant the "unelected Eurocrates in Brussels" or the "banking mafia" that dkami wrote in above post:p...
Anywhere, it's a contradiction post....so, don't let it get to you my friend!
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Hey, dkami, thanks for that info on "Larry Levin"...I'll most certainly google search his site to subscribe for his daily post.
 
Hi Stavro,

Have to agree with you mate, I think people everywhere are waking up to the fact that fiscal deficits need to be brought under control so that their country will not end up with the disastrous choices that Greece and some other countries now face. I don't want to get started on Greece. Greece is a bug in search of a windshield!!!

Cheers mate.
 
ROTFLMFAO - "Stavro writes what he was told to write by Big Guys that hold the market and at the moment they want the EUR/USD to go down" - Vladon,
put that pipe down son and move away slowly!!!!
 
Although it would trigger a large crisis, I think booting Greece from the Eurozone might be the only real long term solution. Any 5 or 10 (or 20) year plan to put Greece's economy back on track would be just like all the plans in the US to reduce the national debt - band aids over large, infected wounds.

Voting Greece off the island would send a "Fix your problems now!" message to the other countries that are dragging the whole house of cards down.

Amputation is a severe option, but sometimes it can be the only way to save a patient. Later, if Greece ever really meets to requirements for the Eurozone, they can rejoin.

(OK, I wrote what you told me to. You can put down the gun now. :p)
 
Although it would trigger a large crisis, I think booting Greece from the Eurozone might be the only real long term solution. Any 5 or 10 (or 20) year plan to put Greece's economy back on track would be just like all the plans in the US to reduce the national debt - band aids over large, infected wounds.

Voting Greece off the island would send a "Fix your problems now!" message to the other countries that are dragging the whole house of cards down.

Amputation is a severe option, but sometimes it can be the only way to save a patient. Later, if Greece ever really meets to requirements for the Eurozone, they can rejoin.

(OK, I wrote what you told me to. You can put down the gun now. :p)

Not that simple, You have many European countries that have invested in Greek bonds, Devaluation out out of the Euro will be worse off for all. There is no quick fix for this.
 
Not that simple, You have many European countries that have invested in Greek bonds, Devaluation out out of the Euro will be worse off for all. There is no quick fix for this.

US business magazine: Military coup best solution for Greece
By Bill Van Auken
4 November 2011

Forbes magazine, which bills itself as “Information for the World's Business Leaders,” has published an article on its web site entitled “The real Greek solution: a military coup.”

The article, written by one Tim Worstall, a British blogger and metals trader, informs his readers that a “joke” circulating in the financial markets is that “the real solution to the Greek problem is a military coup.”

As the source of this piece of information, he cites an article by Jeremy Warner in Britain’s Daily Telegraph: “Only half in jest, is it sometimes said that a better use for Germany’s money than pouring it down the drain of further bail-outs would be to sponsor a Greek military coup and solve the problem that way. The reason being that a military dictatorship cannot be in the European Union. Thus, if there was such a military coup Greece would immediately have to leave the EU and thus whatever happened to its economy would simply be someone else’s problem.”

Worstall continues that the joke has a “sad” and “bitter” quality because, “if we ignore the little problem of it being a military dictatorship, this would in fact be a good solution to Greek woes.”

What, according to the author are Greek’s woes? He writes that Greece cannot possibly pay its debts and is inevitably headed for default, but that this will not resolve the core problem. “Greek wages, Greek living standards, have to fall in order to make that labour competitive,” he writes. “Or, if you prefer, Greek labour productivity needs to rise very strongly and very quickly. Either path is extremely difficult and painful.”

In the short term, the Forbes contributor indicates, “What the military coup would allow is, as I say, ignoring that little detail about it being a military coup, what should probably happen and would certainly be the least painful way for Greece to deal with its problems: default and exit from the euro.”

He concludes: “That we have to joke about such horrible things as a military takeover though does show quite how dysfunctional European politics has become. No one really wants to talk about a dictatorship as the solution to a fairly simple economic problem but that is what we’re reduced to…”

The article provoked audible furor in Greece, where military coups and dictatorships are not a laughing matter. The country was ruled by a fascist-military junta backed by the United States and NATO from 1967 to 1974. Some 10,000 workers, students, political leaders and social activists were rounded up and imprisoned, with many of them subjected to brutal forms of torture.

Taking into account the reaction in Greece to the article, the Forbes contributor changed its headline from “The real Greek solution: a military coup” to “The appalling Greek solution: a military coup.” He also added a postscript insisting that he was not advocating a coup, but merely reporting “a dark and bitter joke” being told in financial circles.

The curious thing about the Forbes article is that it was posted (and Jeremy Warner’s Telegraph article as well) one week before the government of Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou suddenly sacked the entire Greek military high command in an emergency meeting convened as the country was thrown into intense political crisis over Papandreous’s proposal for a referendum on austerity measures demanded by the European Union.

As the World Socialist Web Site noted: “The sudden dismissal of the Greek military’s high command Tuesday night, amid international uproar over a proposal for a referendum on an EU debt plan, has all the hallmarks of an action taken to preempt the threat of a military coup.”

The logic of such a development is pointed to clearly in the Forbes article itself, which insists that the only solution to the Greek crisis is the slashing of Greek workers’ wages and living standards together with a dramatic and rapid intensification of their exploitation, something the author acknowledges “is extremely difficult and painful.” One might add, it is a solution that cannot be carried out democratically, as the decision taken by Papandreou Thursday, under immense pressure from the European powers, to call off the proposed referendum indicates.

All the insistence by the Forbes writer that the basis of the article was merely a “dark and bitter joke” told by financiers, only confirms the well known fact that jokes are often very serious things.
 
Not that simple, You have many European countries that have invested in Greek bonds, Devaluation out out of the Euro will be worse off for all. There is no quick fix for this.

Tossing Greece out of the lifeboat wouldn't be a quick fix and would cause a lot of collateral damage. On the other hand, what's the alternative? If they remain in the Euro Zone, what's the long term effect of eternal bailouts for Greece and all the other less-than-complaint countries seeing that they can get away with fiscal stupidity and just wait for Germany and France to come to the rescue?
 
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