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Cyclon

Company Representative
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Ahhh, I see the old spirit of "forexbastards" is still alive and kicking
around in these halls and coming in and possessing the souls of the
hapless searcher for... Organ music... "The... Holy... Grail"!

So I speak directly to you, spirit. Come out! And shame on you for
making his throat sore because he must have used up
his voice screeching at the top of his lungs,
"S.........C.........A.........A.........A.........M!!!!" on other forexbastards
besides me or surely that would have been part of this.

(Ref. for ultra-newbies: Forex Peace Army used to be known as Forexbastards)

Something else is amiss here though. The spirit also clouds the minds
with twisted logic so the victim does not see the hole in their own
statements so big you can drive a Mack Truck through it.

I will answer the questions anyway but first consider this now that the
apparition has been swept aside (careful lest he return). Always when
you hear the screeching remember that the theory will always sound
something like this, "If your trading system is any good why would you
need to sell it?". Then realize that this comes from the hearts of the
same ones who betray their own logic by searching endlessly for a
trading system made by someone else.

Poor kid, hope he gets home alright.
;)

Ok, answers straight up...
Hi Cyclon,
Thanks for your reply. I still have some more questions below:
1. People said that "The good/profit system/Eas will be come to lose when it's published" so don't you afraid one day the Supertrade system will be die?
No. Perhaps you missed the part where I said it would never change
because it's built upon numerical relationships in the market. Perhaps you
prefer to believe what 'people said'. Are these people part of the 5% or
the 95%?
2. If it's "100% accuracy" or so, why do you sell it while you can keep it your self and offer a signal and managed account service? You'll have much more money than sell it. Don't tell me you don't need money:).
I don't want to do that. Why would anyone want to manage other
people's accounts? Some do but I hear quite a lot of what 'people said'
about this and prefer not to go there. I don't have to do anything I don't
want to do.
3. You cliam that the Supertrade system is published since March 2008 (3.5 years now) and "100% accuracy" so if you show me your live account with one year ONLY with max DD<5% I would buy it at 1,000.000.00 OK?
I found something that is quite amazing to me. I saw the way forex
marketers acted. I decided that I would not not be able to tell what this
can do without it sounding like hype but I had to tell what it does anyway.

This led me to form my initial approach to publishing the system. I
decided to do everything as differently as I think should be done
compared to most forex marketing.

I announced what it does a bit more frequently at first so people would
maybe remember the name. Now these types of announcements are only
done occasionally and I do not advertise. (I actually did run a small spot
once early on in one location online but didn't like it so I quickly
stopped). (additional parenthetical - I do have a banner at my New
Elliott Wave Rule site's forum.)

I decided that the 'forexbastards' spirit was not going to influence how I
conducted my system or the sales of it. If someone thinks the system
must be a scam because I claim it is nearly 100% accurate then I will
work with the many good hearted souls who think the market has such
precision built in. These believe the approach of matching the market and
getting the numerical information for the signal directly from the market
is a sound one.

I decided to keep my trades private as they always have been. My
choice was that if you need any credibility assurance then it must come
from the people who are your fellow traders that say it is something of
worth.

I decided that I would keep on showing the signal line being triggered in
the same way, right on a primary retracement early in a new move AND
keep prodding traders with the information about that trigger that makes
them curious. I tell them that every picture looks the same alright, but
every time the settings for that signal are different and so the MA's are
essentially different and the settings came right from mama market.



When I do that traders indeed are prompted to try it for themselves.
They are then inclined to send me things like...
(None of these are on the website - all were sent in recent months)
----
This came to my email 10 days ago ( from NZ ) and I think I will fit it
into the website's testimonials in the near future - it is in reply to his
welcome email after purchase:
"Thanks Tom,
Have traded haphazardly for ages, and would like to work on getting
systems in place. Jack G. recommended you. (Actual full name given)
Rgds
Hugh"
I receive many testimonials like these as well:
rec'd 13 days ago and Keith A. had had system 2 months...
"...your system leaves all other systems behind." "Thanks."
before that in a different email...
"...Wow.....this stuff works!!" and "I just wanted to tell you I am delighted with my purchase."
----
From J.K.
...this system is an absolute BEAST ...thank you for creating this system
----
Matt wrote,
"Hi Tom,
I just wanted to say I can't thank you enough for sharing such an
incredible trading system! It's clear that you put tremendous effort into
your research, and to even share such a unique discovery is very
generous, and at such a reasonable price is even more incredible -- not
to mention the free Elliot Wave key book. I have no doubt the laws of
karma are paying you back tremendously for your generosity. :)"

----
From Jack,
"Just wanted to take a moment to thank you."

----
M.H. emailed,
"I thank you for sharing this amazing system."

----
Tim G wrote this,
"Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge with us. It’s a rare community we have."

............

Why are they thanking me? Maybe the system is good. Just a thought.
I could show you screenshots of the emails, doh! That's right, photoshopped.
"S.........C.........A.........A.........A.........M!!!!"
awww geez.
Hope that entertained y'all
:)
Cheers,
Cyclon
 

J.Smith

Private
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Yes, your clients (and you so) talk a lot, but... who know?:) I also hear (on this thread and some where else) that you are a scammer... who know?:)

Sorry but no evidence no trust! :)

Why don't you have even one live account tract record for one year ONLY with max DD<5% while you have "100% accuracy" system running in 3.5 years?

If you think 1m is not enough I am willing to pay you 10m if you show me your live account met the conditions.

Thanks.
 

Cyclon

Company Representative
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If you think 1m is not enough I am willing to pay you 10m if you show me your live account met the conditions.
Sorry, my trades are my business as I already told you.

You claim you would pay 10m yet you would not pay $267. Hmmm, who's the scammer?

I do not need you. If you have 10m to spend on a trading system that means you must have at least 100m to trade with.

You need me. It's trust or no business relationship. I put the system together. It's your move not mine.

:O

Further BS will not get you any closer.

Cheers,
Cyclon
 

J.Smith

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You claim you would pay 10m yet you would not pay $267. Hmmm, who's the scammer?

I would rather pay 10m for a good systems but do not spend a penny for a scammer!


if you don't have a live account tract record for one year with max DD<5% than you would show me a live account of tract record with max DD<10% (trading via your "100% accuracy" system :)) I will buy it.

Hope that can help you :)
 

Cyclon

Company Representative
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Heh it's the ole you're a scam, no you're a scam bit.

Sorry no deal. I am not showing anything but pics of real trades made
with setups from the live collaborative watchlist at Supertradersclub.

We work on them together. Maybe you would like to join us.

If you don't like that then that is your problem. If you really do have the
money you say at risk in the market then it really is a problem for you. I
feel for you. I know what it is like to never know when to get in and
when to take profits or ride one. Soon as you make your pick the market
can make an utter fool of you.

Everyone starts out this way but I happened to get lucky enough to find
something special (didn't know just how special at first). It just kept on
revealing even more because I spent years tracking down the path.

First it led to fibbo stuff and then Elliott Wave. I found a key for the
waves that the waves generate. Then because of that key I discovered
a new rule for EW. I published that book freely on the web.

Just curious, have you heard of anyone else that has made an actual
new rule for EW? No I think it's the first and only time this has happened
in over 70 years. If that is not enough credibility for you then you can
keep trying your own TA or others' or whatever floats your boat.

That will be your choice but mine is to publish my stuff any way I like.
Just know that at the heart of STAR is a real gem that I do not take any
credit for in any way except the ability to stumble upon it.


edit --------

Meant to throw this in for that last pic which was a short on AUD/NZD.
It is the setup info and traders with STAR will know how to backtrack it:

AUD/NZD H1 Lo Main Pivot Jan 28th e/v at H2 1.000 PTS Short @ 1.3759 Trigger March 9th

That pic is on my 2nd previous post in this thread. It is over 1450 pips to
the good so far as I write this. Actual DD was 6 pips and potential DD to
a stop not hit was 33 pips + spread.

Now what would that be worth with your 10 spot? (And I am not talking to "J.")

Cheers,
Cyclon
 
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J.Smith

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Now the Eur/Usd Short triggered at 1.4944




Cheers,
Cyclon


Ha...ha...ha....

Well... I am waiting for this for more then a year!

This is the 1st time ever you public your system with Eur/Usd Short signal.


If it's up to 1.5072 (see post #164 above) once again it confirm that your system NEVER WORKS!

I all ways trade your system like this since more then a year but it allays end with losing trades!


Wait and see what happen this time.

Good luck to you!
Hi Tom,

Your 100% accuracy signals is going to hit SL!


How do you think?

What is there to think? You said you know where the SL is.



Hi rpaco,

The signal came from a setup that was thoroughly reviewed and is quite
compatible with the rules. We await many pips.


Tom
Cyclon
Eur/Usd Short stopped out.

This ended up not holding the trend extreme.
...

Cheers,
Cyclon


SuperTradeSystem.com SCAM!


Hi all,

This is some thing Tom explains about his system whenever it gave a false signal. I have bought this system for more than a year and never have a profit trade with it. He always said this is “100% accuracy signals” but when it hit SL he always finds some reason to explain like post above.
You can review from this post (#155) http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-forum/trading-systems/1882-supertradesystem-com-16.html#post21281 to confirm what I mean.

All I can say about this “100% accuracy signals” or SuperTradeSystem is THIS IS 100% SCAM SYSTEM!

STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM SYSTEM!
:)

WHO KNOW???[/COLOR]

:)
 

Cyclon

Company Representative
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{Sorry for the delay - death in the family}


ooops, I am sure it was an oversight but you skipped over some stuff.

Here let me help...

"Hi Tom,
Since you have introduced me to this amazing system,
I want to share some of my results.
For the month of August I took 25 trades, with only
3 losses.
Each trade, I tried to open three positions and set
different profit levels. By doing that, I achieved a
cumulative total of 3615 pips.
Also worth noting is that my account has near doubled
and I have not risked more than 2% per trade.
I still have a tremendous amount of work ahead of me in
learning more about this system and trader discipline,
but so far I am happy to have one complete month of
success."


WOW, I like that kind of attitude. He truly held to
the concept, "Think for yourself, or you'll be forced
to believe what others think".

That was some of the stuff you missed in the thread
from the past.

And here is a recent pic from an aggressive setup posted in
our chat and watchlist:




Lots of pips when you get the early entry into the new move and low
drawdown. Even aggressive trades are great when you first match
market speeds. That's what STAR does and it always will.

Long @ 1.2933

Actual Drawdown from trigger: 1 pip
Potential Drawdown to stop never hit: 6 pips
Move of 1300+ pips in a few days.

Do you know where to get in?


Cheers,
Cyclon
 

CTGUY

Recruit
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I've noticed that the last few people that are calling this system a scam are those that have not purchased the system. I've always wondered why people like these feel an urge to attack a forex system without testing it. My only recommendation is to ignore these people. Anytime I read a statement where someone insists on a trading statement, this tells me that this person is a true forex noob. No experienced trader asks for a statement which proves absolutely nothing since one cannot duplicate the same trading conditions to have the same results.

The system works great and those that purchase the system and understands it will have more success with their forex trading. I've been trading for many years and have tested a lot of systems and I can attest that this is hands down the best forex system. I thank Tom for sharing the system.
 

rpaco

Sergeant
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I've noticed that the last few people that are calling this system a scam are those that have not purchased the system. I've always wondered why people like these feel an urge to attack a forex system without testing it. My only recommendation is to ignore these people. Anytime I read a statement where someone insists on a trading statement, this tells me that this person is a true forex noob. No experienced trader asks for a statement which proves absolutely nothing since one cannot duplicate the same trading conditions to have the same results.

The system works great and those that purchase the system and understands it will have more success with their forex trading. I've been trading for many years and have tested a lot of systems and I can attest that this is hands down the best forex system. I thank Tom for sharing the system.
Most definitely not a scam, but not the easiest to understand, hundreds make it work. The answer is in the waves, not for dabbling, real full immersion is needed to make it work. It is a brilliant system from a genius. (there how's that Tom!)
 

Cyclon

Company Representative
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Thanks CTGUY and rpaco. I am blushing ;) and not just from the compliments
but when I see how it has been almost a year since I posted. :)

There has been a ton of new development which was released to the
premium subscribers at Supertradersclub for beta testing. Our tools
and techniques have been getting better. They are more convenient
to use and more precise since switching from integer to 3 places.

And for all STAR system owners...

Now all of the criteria are completely mechanical with no subjectivity.
(My original thoughts of using descriptions for some which would allow
for more flexibility were wrong. This was not helpful and caused some
unnecessary confusion). Got it fixed now. Some creative thinking was
needed to transform those into hard criteria but it worked.

Also an emphasis on getting more production in corrective formations
has been put into place through a rewrite of the alternate signal post.

My current focus...

The way I see it the full immersion is simply the realization for all of
us who take on this career seriously that this market stuff is more
complex than we think and will kick our butts if we don't take it on
with due respect.

It will be truly difficult if we are relying on traditional TA though.

The entire foundation of TA is flawed. Markets use speed changes
as their sole means for generating fractal based pieces. What that
means is that to create infinite variability out of a very small set
of possible formations the market varies the speed.

Speed in a market is of course price movement over time.

Thinking fractally, consider a tree. If the tree's few formations,
like branching at a slight angle from a previous piece, were not
varied in length then the branches would grow back into the trunk
in just 4 or 5 iterations. This length variability is similar to the
speed changes in market movements, also fractal structures.

Three observations about this...

First it is then clear that if you stretch a move out - making a
similar shape but with price moving much further in less time
(known as a 'fast' market) - then any rigid last-bar analysis
will miss it's mark and signal prematurely as compared to a
'normal' move.

Second when you are aware of speed changes you find out
there is no normal. Every new move chooses a new speed.

Third you now also realize that in TA you have no help. Nowhere
in TA is the concept of matching speed first and only then doing
an analysis even mentioned. Only STAR does this. The market
has always displayed this but TA is blind to it and yet speed
changes are clearly shown on every chart you have ever viewed.

Something has to be done and so I am going to set out to write
a book about exactly how we now use TA and how it is fixed as
a losing technology because it cannot match up often enough.

I am going to title the book, "The Trouble with Today's Technical Analysis"
and I am toying with the idea of a subtitle of, 'Or... Why Your Trading Sucks'.

That is a bit in your face so I would appreciate some feedback on that part.

Given the failure rate in this retail trading endeavor, given the fact that the
forex system and EA vendors who have nothing but traditional TA to work
with get blamed for this industry wide shortcoming, is that subtitle too over
the top or offensive or not?

It would be good to hear your thoughts FPA.

The book will be given away with your purchase of STAR. Just kidding it'll be free.

Cheers,
Cyclon
 
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