Discuss Nial Fuller Price action forex education method

[Ryan Raymond]

If we go on arguing, it might not end. So, I am trying to conclude my review unless another wave starts here.

Nial, As a business, you have to face customer review harsh or good and contemplate on your services. You have offered clarification. Fair enough!

As a person, I have every right to keep my identity private.

My last post was not about trading as u tried to defend yourself saying how good your business is doing rather than answering to the point.

I think I have told enough for anyone to make a decision and surely they were not emotional outlets but review from a guy who knows his stuff. I know what I am talking about also I have said for whom your course might be suitable.

Thanks

 

[NIAL FULLER]

If we go on arguing, it might not end. So, I am trying to conclude my review unless another wave starts here.

As a person, I have every right to keep my identity private.

I think I have told enough for anyone to make a decision and surely they were not emotional outlets but review from a guy who knows his stuff.

Thanks

Ryan,

I don't want to re fuel a debate with you, and I appreciate that you have agreed to shake hands and settle the matter and refrain from any further defamation. I respect some of your views, but I don't appreciate that many of your comments where in fact very false and misleading to the public. I feel what you have said was quite deliberate and negative. I don't believe the same negativity is shared by most of my customers or followers though. You have made some claims and statements which I know are untrue, and which my followers also know are untrue. I already pointed out some of your points that where very untrue in my prior posts. I don't want to publicly debate the matter any further, and I agree, lets move on.
If anybody requires further clarification, contact me via my website.
Good luck with your trading Ryan.

 

[Black Bird]

Hey Ryan Raymond,

since he is offering a refund on his course now we may well ask for our money back ... Who knows we might get lucky....LOL... ...

He already gave a refund to someone he kicked out from his site. Check that guy's post here:

Learn To Trade The Market | LearnToTradeTheMarket.com reviews and ratings by Forex Peace Army

He said he got a refund at a Forex Factory forum.

I wonder why Nial has been banned from babypips forum. Maybe he would like to tell us?

 

[NIAL FULLER]

Hi Black Bird,

I posted to baby pips early on when I first started, I had created a thread/threads introducing my website, discussing my strategies and ideas on trading. They got the sh%ts with me when I linked out to my website. I was told by one of the more popular members on there a while back that I would have my membership to their forums re instated if I didn't post any links to my site. I had quite a nice little group of followers which started there, some of which are still members to this very day.
I lost interest in babypips very quickly, it was 3 years ago. That is the real story, and it was a simple case that they did not want a commercial person posting lessons and links on their site, which is fair enough.
I since found other more appropriate places to submit my videos and articles to.

Frankly, I stay away from forums completely due to the b.s , lies and bantering that goes on, I avoid them at all costs. The only time i post to a forum now days is to defend comments and to respond to peoples concerns just like yours
In regards to a refund/ support/ help with any issues, mate just contact me and we will come to a resolution. Just Email me bud.
If you need any personal help (that applies to any of my members), email me and we can hook up a skype session.

Also, i just posted a really cool 1 hour video by Jack Schwager on my site,
some light entertainment http://www.learntotradethemarket.com/nial-fullers-forex-blog/

All the best

N. F.

 

[Demonkiller9]

Ryan has some good points

Nial, As a business, you have to face customer review harsh or good and contemplate on your services. You have offered clarification. Fair enough!

As a person, I have every right to keep my identity private.

My last post was not about trading as u tried to defend yourself saying how good your business is doing rather than answering to the point.

I think I have told enough for anyone to make a decision and surely they were not emotional outlets but review from a guy who knows his stuff. I know what I am talking about also I have said for whom your course might be suitable.

Thanks

i honestly think Ryan has some good points here. He seems quite knowledgeable about this course, knows several of the members on there and he is not promoting anything else so I fail to see where he has some hidden agenda. he's just disappointed the course was not satisfactory and is providing his. i thank him for providing an informed and honest opinion and he has defnded his position well

people are entitled to their opinions and you cannot tell them that their opinion is a lie or heresay when its well informed. i stumbled onto this forum as i have a facsination with price action and have been looking for some good outlets. ive found james 16 to be solid and forexbunker but was also curious about Nial's and wanted to check this out as there seemed to be a lot of commentary about it here.

i am also not a noob so it was good to hear from what Ryan said that this course would be for noob's and thus not for me.

seems like basic stuff talking about supp + res and inside bars. have also heard on other forums about how you can learn all you need to about his course from his free videos and this has been confirmed across multiple forums so seems quite consistent

many of the things you say in here Ryan have been confirmed by other past members on other forums so it seems like your experience is an honest and legit critique.

nial is entitled to do all the social media work to help promote his business - any good businessperson would do this. however, i did spend some time and found that link about him using a false account posing as someone from UAE yet having an ip address from australia. thats pretty damming evidence nial is more than just a businessman, but someone who wangles the truth to promote his services - seems pretty shady

you mention a solid point about showing he is genuine as this is always a concern for us developing traders. however, i am not sure a signal service is the best way because that could expose his methods over time to anyone who can reverse engineer it. i have a friend which did this and now he is trading well just from seeing a successful traders report

however anothr method would be to get an 'audit' which is where a professional auditing firm audits his past trading to verify yearly performance, max dd's, sharpe ratios and assets under management.

Nial could do this to prove to us he is the real deal without exposing any information about his strategies as it would simply tell us he is managing a good amount of capital and can perform over time.

If Nial is really trading live and performs well, then it will show in the audit and in the data. This avoids him exposing his methods, past trade history and using signal services which I do not think help us learn to trade since we have no idea the base of the signals come from. Ideal would be for him to use a professional and well known auditing firm like Ernst & Young or Pricewaterhouse Cooper.

It protects of his methods, doesn't help any other business or agenda like C2, Zulu or Currensee which take spreads from those who trade on them, and it allows him to establish he is legit.

i think this is an perfectly good way to establish if he is who is he and is a no-risk situation for him (unless he has something to hide). my guess is if he really is legit, he will just do it quickly and squash the doubt once and for all. but if he doesn't and comes up with some excuse, then i think that will tell you who he really is

nIal? can you get us an audit from a professional accounting or auditing firm or will you post some excuse to avoid showing us what is real and what is not?

 

[Ingot54]

Nothing to prove

People who ask for evidence of success will never be satisfied even when it is provided.

I have seen this kind of trolling before - not just over Nial Fuller's business and strategy, but others who are trying to share stuff.

Why would they do this?

Is it because they wish to "warn the world" that Nial is ripping people off? This is clearly not the case. People on this thread currently bad-mouthing Nial are not providing legitimate argument, but are denigrating for the sake of it.

Just consider the membership, mentorship, moderation, regular email newsletters, Daily Commentary, and yes - some very experienced forum members, thousands of charts, ready access to support - by either email, on-forum and even more directly through Skype or mobile contact when warranted. The cascades of free content and relevant trading material, as well as the core strategies surrounding Nial's treatment of Inside Bars and Fakeys can not be readily accessed in such depth on any other site.

What you get with Nial is a specialist teaching special setups - something that you can "own" for yourself and actually MASTER and use forever.

Personally I can see what is going on - as can most readers of the thread. It is clear that Nial is hurting someone else's business. Period. Why else would anyone waste their time posting and posting and posting this denigrating stuff?

There can only be an agenda, because those trolling have not actually put up what their problem is with Nial's strategy - they are only pointing out that other similar stuff is available, that is better, more freely available, or someone said something somewhere ... yada yada.

Frankly speaking - you will either like the strategy or you won't - just say so and leave it at that.

It is not possible to be liked by 100% of people in the world. Similarly it is just as likely that you may like Martin Pring or Sam Seiden, but dislike Larry Williams or Bill Poulos. Who cares? Each to their own - they all offer something unique in their own way. Get over it.

FPA looks for feedback on the experience with Learn To Trade The Market and the Course, content, strategy and the package. Anything else is either unnecessary, personal axe to grind, or competition issues.

Visually Challenged Phredericke (Blind Freddy) can see right through the trolls, so give it a break folks, and let's have actual experiential feedback.

Nial has always maintained he didn't make millions through trading. He has only said he makes a "good and consistent income", and that he doesn't trade all the time. He has told me personally that he only trades a few times a month, when the setups appear. I can vouch for this approach - when trading daily bars, I have had to wait three weeks for a setup. Anyone who trades this time frame will confirm that.

Good traders of Daily TF sometimes only choose to take the best setups, and this can mean only a dozen trades a year at times.

Asking for proof of account balance is a no brainer - the pips are written all over his forum - just go there and see for yourself.

 

[Demonkiller9]

People who ask for evidence of success will never be satisfied even when it is provided.

Is it because they wish to "warn the world" that Nial is ripping people off? This is clearly not the case. People on this thread currently bad-mouthing Nial are not providing legitimate argument, but are denigrating for the sake of it.

Personally I can see what is going on - as can most readers of the thread. It is clear that Nial is hurting someone else's business. Period. Why else would anyone waste their time posting and posting and posting this denigrating stuff?

There can only be an agenda, because those trolling have not actually put up what their problem is with Nial's strategy - they are only pointing out that other similar stuff is available, that is better, more freely available, or someone said something somewhere ... yada yada.

Frankly speaking - you will either like the strategy or you won't - just say so and leave it at that.

Nial has always maintained he didn't make millions through trading. He has only said he makes a "good and consistent income", and that he doesn't trade all the time. He has told me personally that he only trades a few times a month, when the setups appear. I can vouch for this approach - when trading daily bars, I have had to wait three weeks for a setup. Anyone who trades this time frame will confirm that.

Good traders of Daily TF sometimes only choose to take the best setups, and this can mean only a dozen trades a year at times.

The criticisms from Ryan have been well informed and are an opinion of a seasoned or intermediate trader with experience in the market.

You cannot discount or compromise Ryan's experiences as he has been able to identify traders in the forum, along with systems, information about the products and details about it nobody from the outside would have.

His opinion is something to be considered and he is not trying to promote any business, nor has he pushed any. I am not pushing any either for that matter as I have no alliances to any one group or business.

I'd be happily satisfied if Nial could produce an audited report. That would pretty much quell any argument about him being a successful trader or not.
If it can include the details such as assets under management, length of history for the accont, max dd, percent profits per month and year, sharpe ratio, etc., then it would easily close the door for any counter-argument against Nial not being a real trader.

Its a no risk situation for him and he has all the upside to gain if he is a legitimate trader. If he is not, then he has lots of downside. Its pretty simple. Im sure we'd all be satisfied with the audited results.

Even if its only a dozen trades a year, it would still be established and we'd see that in the audit

If Nial has excuses, then its pretty obvious what he really is. But if he's the real deal, then it will be no issue for him to get one done by a professional firm and provide it to the public - rather simple

DK9

 

[Ingot54]

i honestly think Ryan has some good points here. He seems quite knowledgeable about this course, knows several of the members on there and he is not promoting anything else so I fail to see where he has some hidden agenda. he's just disappointed the course was not satisfactory and is providing his. i thank him for providing an informed and honest opinion and he has defnded his position well

i am also not a noob so it was good to hear from what Ryan said that this course would be for noob's and thus not for me.

you mention a solid point about showing he is genuine as this is always a concern for us developing traders.

You seem a bit confused - are you a "noob" or a "developing trader"? If you were not a "noob" you would not feel the need to back up some of the untrue things spoken by the anonymous Ryan Raymond. Experienced traders don't get involved in requesting proof - they have discovered enough through their own experience to understand their is no magic method - just consistent application of a strategy, and the willingness to master it. End of story. Who needs proof??

however, i am not sure a signal service is the best way because that could expose his methods over time to anyone who can reverse engineer it.

What signal service? Nial provides a signal service? Whoa man - cut it out!

i think this is an perfectly good way to establish if he is who is he and is a no-risk situation for him. my guess is if he really is legit, he will just do it quickly and squash the doubt once and for all.

There is no doubt - nothing to squash. He has a website, a strategy, thousands of satisfied clients, is right up there on Page #1 on Google search.

YOU are the one with the doubts ... YOU are the one looking for proof ... YOU are the one making statements like "if he is who he says" yada yada!

Nial has nothing to prove to YOU. He is not at risk, and doesn't have to face a grand jury of YOUR choosing. YOU are the one bothering about Nial's legitimacy ... and your best mate RR.

Look - on your first post on this forum you choose to back up someone who is wanting to knock Nial off his perch. Why? What's the go here? You two are a bit out-numbered, and have not provided ANY evidence of Nial NOT delivering on what he says.

Stick to the topic - have you actually, truly, really experienced Nial's strategy? Have you bought his method? Have you contacted him and discussed your issues privately with him? Did you do this before anonymously coming onto FPA with bad-mouthing Nial? Do you realise how slander and libel hurt people?

Stick to the facts ... the truth ... and by that I mean YOUR facts based on EXPERIENCE - not hear-say from other web-sites, or stuff you write to support your mates and their innuendo.

FPA is all about getting to the truth, exposing the scams and getting rid of the ripoff merchants.

Nothing has been put up here that in any way meets that criterium.

Please - show that Nial is a scam - in the face of his forum full of happy and learning clients. Show that he is ripping people off. Show that he is not teaching a legitimate strategy.

FPA would welcome the truth about these things I am certain.

 

[Demonkiller9]

You seem a bit confused - are you a "noob" or a "developing trader"? If you were not a "noob" you would not feel the need to back up some of the untrue things spoken by the anonymous Ryan Raymond. Experienced traders don't get involved in requesting proof - they have discovered enough through their own experience to understand their is no magic method - just consistent application of a strategy, and the willingness to master it. End of story. Who needs proof??

What signal service? Nial provides a signal service? Whoa man - cut it out!

There is no doubt - nothing to squash. He has a website, a strategy, thousands of satisfied clients, is right up there on Page #1 on Google search.

YOU are the one with the doubts ... YOU are the one looking for proof ... YOU are the one making statements like "if he is who he says" yada yada!

Nial has nothing to prove to YOU. He is not at risk, and doesn't have to face a grand jury of YOUR choosing. YOU are the one bothering about Nial's legitimacy ... and your best mate RR.

Look - on your first post on this forum you choose to back up someone who is wanting to knock Nial off his perch. Why? What's the go here? You two are a bit out-numbered, and have not provided ANY evidence of Nial NOT delivering on what he says.

Stick to the topic - have you actually, truly, really experienced Nial's strategy? Have you bought his method? Have you contacted him and discussed your issues privately with him? Did you do this before anonymously coming onto FPA with bad-mouthing Nial? Do you realise how slander and libel hurt people?

Stick to the facts ... the truth ... and by that I mean YOUR facts based on EXPERIENCE - not hear-say from other web-sites, or stuff you write to support your mates and their innuendo.

FPA is all about getting to the truth, exposing the scams and getting rid of the ripoff merchants.

Nothing has been put up here that in any way meets that criterium.

Please - show that Nial is a scam - in the face of his forum full of happy and learning clients. Show that he is ripping people off. Show that he is not teaching a legitimate strategy.

FPA would welcome the truth about these things I am certain.

Ridiculous. No, am not a noob and I think you know nothing about my trading. Ryan had way too much information about the course and product to be speaking untrue things. You cannot say a well informed opinion is untrue.

Nobody said anything about Nial providing a signal service so what are you talking about?

and by the way, fap turbo was once on google page rankings, but we know what kind of product that was. google rankings have nothing to do with this

Again, if Nial is the real deal, then he'll get an audited report and provide it showing he's a real trader and has had success over the last few years.

Its rather simple. if he can provide it, then he's legit. if not, and all he has is excuses, then its obvious what he is. And what lies have I posted? What have I said which is untruth? Point to anything which I have said which is untrue. I've only supported Ryan's well informed opinions saying they have credibility.

Other than that, what lies have I spread?

ALl we are asking for is for Nial to provide an audite from a professional audiitng firm showing his trading statistics. If he can provide it, then the case is closed and I will personally recant all my statements and support Nial as a real trader. If not, then he's not legit.

 

[Ingot54]

The criticisms from Ryan have been well informed and are an opinion of a seasoned or intermediate trader with experience in the market.

You cannot discount or compromise Ryan's experiences as he has been able to identify traders in the forum, along with systems, information about the products and details about it nobody from the outside would have.

His opinion is something to be considered and he is not trying to promote any business, nor has he pushed any. I am not pushing any either for that matter as I have no alliances to any one group or business.

Who is RR?

Is he the industry standard we all look up to with respect?

No - he is a blow-in that no one ever heard of before, and now you - who don't know him from a bar of soap ... presumably - are supporting him as "well informed and are an opinion of a seasoned or intermediate trader".

Says who? Where is the record of RR? Unlike Nial whom he has bad-mouthed with his untrue statements - prooflessly - but which you believe after reading just 4 posts!!!

FOUR POSTS!!! And you blindly follow what someone has written on the Internet!!! And you blindly swear allegiance to someone you do not know - "His opinion is something to be considered" - mate - either you are RR, or are in his loop - or you are a fool - which is it?

I'd be happily satisfied if Nial could produce an audited report. That would pretty much quell any argument about him being a successful trader or not.
If it can include the details such as assets under management, length of history for the accont, max dd, percent profits per month and year, sharpe ratio, etc., then it would easily close the door for any counter-argument against Nial not being a real trader.

You really are too much! So we have to have you "happily satisfied" now, do we? And ... you are ... who? ... exactly?

I have a suggestion - just email Nial yourself, instead of asking the same old, tired "show me audited proof" rubbish. And how exactly is THAT going to make you a better trader???

Personally I don't care whether Nial has a personal trading a/c or not. His website offers proof EVERY week of setups AHEAD OF TIME clearly posted so the members can see, which then go on to one of two outcomes - they fail and are stopped out. Or they go on to make their reward:risk.

Its a no risk situation for him and he has all the upside to gain if he is a legitimate trader. If he is not, then he has lots of downside. Its pretty simple. Im sure we'd all be satisfied with the audited results.

It's already a "no risk situation" for Nial - it is YOU who says there is a risk in there somewhere. Where exactly is this risk to Nial that you keep bringing up?

If Nial has excuses, then its pretty obvious what he really is. But if he's the real deal, then it will be no issue for him to get one done by a professional firm and provide it to the public - rather simple

DK9

Nial is already the real deal - nothing to prove.

There are occasionally a few grubs who troll him on the net - always the same stuff that other service providers get accused off: "Show us your statement" ... "Prove who you are" ... " get your results published so we can see" ... jeeeez!

Get a grip - what do you want - to get Nial's course for free? Is that it? Mate - people like you will never be satisfied, and will never become a trader even if the proof was sitting right in your lap.

Why?

Because you spend all your time wondering if someone is who he says he is, instead of getting your sleeves rolled up, and getting stuck into it and LEARN a strategy and MASTER it. It does not have to be Nial Fuller's strategy if you have doubts about it - go to J16 if you like, and ask about Jim being the real deal - same old crock there - what's the deal with attacking Nial?

Or go and attack Bill Poulos if you like - express your doubts about Bill ... or Martin ... or Larry ... your griping does not stack up.

Ask Bill Poulos for proof and see how far you get. Better still - Ask J16 for his audited trading statement.