MilanStani1
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Hey all,
First post here so please bear with me! I actually managed to get my money back, so maybe my experience will help you guys. The full story is important so do read it all.
I'll start from the beginning. I was roped into this by clicking an ad one facebook on August 30th, link below:
cnn.com-cat.press/anonymous-is-going-after-global-stock-market
Clearly this is not CNN and these guys obviously have nothing to do with Anonymous. Once I clicked the link to take me to their page (via this fake news site..yes FAKE NEWS!!) it all seemed to be legitimate anonymous. The website was app.anotrade.com I believe. Being a sucker for the anti-establishment stick to the man mission of Anonymous I stupidly chose to believe this was for real. So after depositing my £200 Sterling to these scam artists, I noticed the name BinaryTilt for the first time. I then went on to look for reviews about them and my heart began to sink as I realised I may have just thrown away money.
I wrote them an e-mail on the same day saying that I am not willing to provide them with further personal information about myself to a company that I believe is involved in scams, and I would like my money to be refunded immediately. Somehow they actually responded as per below:
"Dear Sir,
The content of your email has been well noted and I think you are having some misunderstanding which I would like to clear. But in order to help you, you need to confine what is the problem and what make you believe that we are scams and our product is not what you are looking for.
Firstly, all the information you provide us get deleted once your transaction is done as we are using the SSL system which encrypts your details with full confidentiality.
Secondly, for you to withdraw your money you are requested to provide all the documents mentioned in our previous mail as this is part of KYC policy which we need to abide strictly and this policy is in accordance with the Regulation and International Anti-Money Laundering Laws.
Once we received all the documents, you will be able to put an online withdrawal request and our finance team will approved it.If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us at your convenience.
Thank you & Best regards,
Amy.
Support Team"
So I wrote to them asking to provide me with the actual supporting documentation of this 'the Regulation and International Anti-Money Laundering Laws.' Clearly they didn't need my personal details to take my money and they certainly don't need my personal details to refund me. Anyway, I received no response to my last 8 e-mails from August 31st to yesterday, basically one per day. Phone calls to their support team, both London and Manchester went unanswered. I thought I would be clever by making another account with a different email address and waiting for them to call me so that they can suck more money out of me. This actually worked but the person I spoke to obviously couldn't do anything to help but promised someone would call me and gave me his direct email address in case I needed further help. This person was clearly not a native English speaker calling himself Max Hudson (email: MaxH@BinaryTilt.com ...feel free to spam this jackass). Anyway, as you can imagine no one contacted me and he never responded to emails either. Pretty obvious that was going to happen.
Now for how I got my money back....After speaking to police fraud department I was told I need to call my bank and tell them the full story, I bank with HSBC for the record. So I called HSBC and told them the full story as advised. I told them that I made this payment myself, but that when making the payment I was under the impression that I was paying to a different company and that I was paying for a service which I did not receive. I told them the full truth in as much detail, and possibly more, than I have just written out here. The representative I spoke to said they usually don't do raise disputes for scams when you willingly make the payment. Given that these guys falsely advertised themselves as another company and refused to refund me upon my request unless I filled out paperwork that I was in no way willing to do (for reasons mentioned above). To finish this long story, HSBC has now opened an investigation on these guys and already refunded my money. Obviously this is HSBC's money and they are yet to collect from the Scam Artist Alliance (BinaryTilt....or Chemmi Holdings) but I was assured that they fully expect to succeed.
Of course I was very thankful that my bank was so helpful and quick to react, must be the first time someone has said that about a bank! I did ask the guy to make sure to let me know what happens....to which he responded that he'll make a note to inform me once the case is closed but that I don't have to worry and they WILL get the money. I'm really not so concerned about £200, it's not the end of the world. What I'm more concerned about is that we should all be reporting this so that these guys can get what is coming to them and get shut down, hopefully the owners sent to prison. I dream of them rotting away in prison wishing they had never tried to scam good honest people just trying to make some money.
First post here so please bear with me! I actually managed to get my money back, so maybe my experience will help you guys. The full story is important so do read it all.
I'll start from the beginning. I was roped into this by clicking an ad one facebook on August 30th, link below:
cnn.com-cat.press/anonymous-is-going-after-global-stock-market
Clearly this is not CNN and these guys obviously have nothing to do with Anonymous. Once I clicked the link to take me to their page (via this fake news site..yes FAKE NEWS!!) it all seemed to be legitimate anonymous. The website was app.anotrade.com I believe. Being a sucker for the anti-establishment stick to the man mission of Anonymous I stupidly chose to believe this was for real. So after depositing my £200 Sterling to these scam artists, I noticed the name BinaryTilt for the first time. I then went on to look for reviews about them and my heart began to sink as I realised I may have just thrown away money.
I wrote them an e-mail on the same day saying that I am not willing to provide them with further personal information about myself to a company that I believe is involved in scams, and I would like my money to be refunded immediately. Somehow they actually responded as per below:
"Dear Sir,
The content of your email has been well noted and I think you are having some misunderstanding which I would like to clear. But in order to help you, you need to confine what is the problem and what make you believe that we are scams and our product is not what you are looking for.
Firstly, all the information you provide us get deleted once your transaction is done as we are using the SSL system which encrypts your details with full confidentiality.
Secondly, for you to withdraw your money you are requested to provide all the documents mentioned in our previous mail as this is part of KYC policy which we need to abide strictly and this policy is in accordance with the Regulation and International Anti-Money Laundering Laws.
Once we received all the documents, you will be able to put an online withdrawal request and our finance team will approved it.If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us at your convenience.
Thank you & Best regards,
Amy.
Support Team"
So I wrote to them asking to provide me with the actual supporting documentation of this 'the Regulation and International Anti-Money Laundering Laws.' Clearly they didn't need my personal details to take my money and they certainly don't need my personal details to refund me. Anyway, I received no response to my last 8 e-mails from August 31st to yesterday, basically one per day. Phone calls to their support team, both London and Manchester went unanswered. I thought I would be clever by making another account with a different email address and waiting for them to call me so that they can suck more money out of me. This actually worked but the person I spoke to obviously couldn't do anything to help but promised someone would call me and gave me his direct email address in case I needed further help. This person was clearly not a native English speaker calling himself Max Hudson (email: MaxH@BinaryTilt.com ...feel free to spam this jackass). Anyway, as you can imagine no one contacted me and he never responded to emails either. Pretty obvious that was going to happen.
Now for how I got my money back....After speaking to police fraud department I was told I need to call my bank and tell them the full story, I bank with HSBC for the record. So I called HSBC and told them the full story as advised. I told them that I made this payment myself, but that when making the payment I was under the impression that I was paying to a different company and that I was paying for a service which I did not receive. I told them the full truth in as much detail, and possibly more, than I have just written out here. The representative I spoke to said they usually don't do raise disputes for scams when you willingly make the payment. Given that these guys falsely advertised themselves as another company and refused to refund me upon my request unless I filled out paperwork that I was in no way willing to do (for reasons mentioned above). To finish this long story, HSBC has now opened an investigation on these guys and already refunded my money. Obviously this is HSBC's money and they are yet to collect from the Scam Artist Alliance (BinaryTilt....or Chemmi Holdings) but I was assured that they fully expect to succeed.
Of course I was very thankful that my bank was so helpful and quick to react, must be the first time someone has said that about a bank! I did ask the guy to make sure to let me know what happens....to which he responded that he'll make a note to inform me once the case is closed but that I don't have to worry and they WILL get the money. I'm really not so concerned about £200, it's not the end of the world. What I'm more concerned about is that we should all be reporting this so that these guys can get what is coming to them and get shut down, hopefully the owners sent to prison. I dream of them rotting away in prison wishing they had never tried to scam good honest people just trying to make some money.