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I don't know if the topic is still relevant. I registered here especially to share my experiences with "Robert". I registered in his VIP group in March 2019. Deposits and withdrawals at BDSwiss were never a problem. The signals came every day and a lot of them were really good. There were always updates for these signals when he closed the trade. But some signals were really bad. They went into the red and there was no update even after several weeks. I think he closed it at some point and lived with the loss. however, if you always set yourself a stop loss, that shouldn't be such a big problem. At the beginning I deposited € 500. these became around 1200 € within 2 months. Out of my own stupidity and greed, however, I have lost everything again. so it wasn't Robert's fault. the signals are apparently really ok. nevertheless, I am still not sure how serious Robert or smart trader is. Last year his name was "Robert Fischer". Now his name is "Robert B. Lindner". The photo of him on his website also shows a completely different person. You can easily check that on archive.org. enter his page "smart-trader-fx.com" and check the entry from 09/11/2019. so far my experience.

Sorry for the awful English. I had my text translated with Google translation.
 
First of all, I am happy that these forums exists, otherwise nobody could share their experiences, and it would be an easy game for scammers.
There are very few information about Smart Trader Group or the Person Robert Lindner, who is the owner of Smart-Trader Telegram group.
I am following his Signals now for quite a bit, first in the free group, then in the VIP.
I have signed up with his affiliate Link and deposited money.
My first thoughts were, that he is a scammer, bc he wanted me to deposit more money into my BDSwiss account, which was very suspicious in the beginning. But after some time arguing with him that I held my part of the deal, which was signing up to get into the VIP group, he let me finally join.
Now lets get to his Signals, which are based on fundamental analysis.
Just like @pixelguy said, some stock trades are very good, some are not. Forex trades are ok.
Until today I really dont know if he is a real profitable trader or he is just doing it to get money from the ppl who register through his link.
In some way its illogical. He is always telling ppl to share their new profit with ppl in need, but still does not give them real advice on how to handle his signals properly. (f.e. Entrys, SL, holding time)
I think he has very good signals somehow. Although the very high fees of BDSwiss, missing information on when to enter trades properly like him and which trades to hold or close, makes it hard to stay profitable in the longterm.
If someone sees these posts and also had experience with Robert Lindner, kindly share it! It's important to exchange information to help each other.
 
SCAM ALERT:

Smarttrader by Robert Lindner is a smam, but it is disguised as a valid service. I monitored this service for over 1 year now and traded his so called signals with real money. This is what I found out:

1. After signing up you are contacted by Robert to ask what your experience with trading is and what your goals are. The communication is nice but a bit pushy as Robert will very quickly push you towards opening an account with BDSwiss with north of USD 1.000 in deposit. After entering the free trading group on Telegram you can get a first view on how the signals are.... Most of the signals are blurred in the free Telegram group and upon asking about this Robert replies that all signals are only available to people who are "serious about trading" (whatever that means). Anyway, I did as requested and opened an account with BDSwiss and deposited USD 1.000

2. Robert posts a lot of trading signals every day in his Telegram group, however the signals are missing a lot of additional data: He never shares his entry price for a position and he never shares a stop loss or take profit. He will send then updates on positions with stop loss and take profit but only if those are in profit. This leads to the situation where one when reading the Telegram group gets the assumption that almost all the positions are profitiable when in reality he only updates the positions that were succesful. He also never uses entry points but instead writes something like "get in as high or low as possible". Even thought I traded almost all of his positions for quite some time it seemed to me as if he is faking his entries as somehow even on the good positions my entries were never as perfect as his. I asked him about this and got the answer that he cannot update every position as he trades to many positions every day. For me it looks like he is cherry picking to only update the positions that are performing well and fakes his entry price.

3. Fake Testimonials: Robert posts almost every day testimonials from clients that supposedly earned a lot of money with his signals, but somehow he is not willing to share the details with those clients when asked about them. Since wording and story somehow become repetitive after a while it honestly seems like the stories are made up. He highlights that Smarttrader is a community but there is no chance to talk to other people in this so called "community"

4. He gets money when you open an account with BDSwiss: This one took some time and research to find out, but a person that is currently working at a Forex Broker told me that Brokers usually pay a fixed amount of money for every client brought to them by a business partner. Supposedly this amount is somewhere around 700-1.400 USD per client. To me this makes sense remembering how I was pushed to into opening an account with BDSwiss by Robert or otherwise I could not enter his so called "VIP group". To me this is super contradictory to him saying that he does the whole trading thing because he wants to help people.

5. Back tracing communication: As I have a background in computer science I was able to back trace some of the communication with Robert. Although I was not able to pinpoint the exact location the messages originated somewhere in the south east asian region, although Robert always says he is living in germany (town of Frankfurt). As I usually received answers on Telegram from him at times where I would think people in germany are sleeping I kind of started thinking that maybe he runs some kind of operation somewhere in South East Asia (probably Vietnam, Thailand or Philipines)

6. After loosing all of my money, which according to Robert was my own fault since I did not follow his signals correctly and did not use my brain (lol), I started to dive deeper into finding the actual person behind this. I found some hints thanks to other people that were scamed as well, but not enough to really pinpoint if Robert really is a real person or just a made up one. As soon as I find out more I will update you guys here.

Until then I can only advise everybody to stay away as far as possible from his so called free trading service. Although everything seems to be super well researched you will definitely end up loosing money.
 
SCAM ALERT:

Smarttrader by Robert Lindner is a smam, but it is disguised as a valid service. I monitored this service for over 1 year now and traded his so called signals with real money. This is what I found out:

1. After signing up you are contacted by Robert to ask what your experience with trading is and what your goals are. The communication is nice but a bit pushy as Robert will very quickly push you towards opening an account with BDSwiss with north of USD 1.000 in deposit. After entering the free trading group on Telegram you can get a first view on how the signals are.... Most of the signals are blurred in the free Telegram group and upon asking about this Robert replies that all signals are only available to people who are "serious about trading" (whatever that means). Anyway, I did as requested and opened an account with BDSwiss and deposited USD 1.000

2. Robert posts a lot of trading signals every day in his Telegram group, however the signals are missing a lot of additional data: He never shares his entry price for a position and he never shares a stop loss or take profit. He will send then updates on positions with stop loss and take profit but only if those are in profit. This leads to the situation where one when reading the Telegram group gets the assumption that almost all the positions are profitiable when in reality he only updates the positions that were succesful. He also never uses entry points but instead writes something like "get in as high or low as possible". Even thought I traded almost all of his positions for quite some time it seemed to me as if he is faking his entries as somehow even on the good positions my entries were never as perfect as his. I asked him about this and got the answer that he cannot update every position as he trades to many positions every day. For me it looks like he is cherry picking to only update the positions that are performing well and fakes his entry price.

3. Fake Testimonials: Robert posts almost every day testimonials from clients that supposedly earned a lot of money with his signals, but somehow he is not willing to share the details with those clients when asked about them. Since wording and story somehow become repetitive after a while it honestly seems like the stories are made up. He highlights that Smarttrader is a community but there is no chance to talk to other people in this so called "community"

4. He gets money when you open an account with BDSwiss: This one took some time and research to find out, but a person that is currently working at a Forex Broker told me that Brokers usually pay a fixed amount of money for every client brought to them by a business partner. Supposedly this amount is somewhere around 700-1.400 USD per client. To me this makes sense remembering how I was pushed to into opening an account with BDSwiss by Robert or otherwise I could not enter his so called "VIP group". To me this is super contradictory to him saying that he does the whole trading thing because he wants to help people.

5. Back tracing communication: As I have a background in computer science I was able to back trace some of the communication with Robert. Although I was not able to pinpoint the exact location the messages originated somewhere in the south east asian region, although Robert always says he is living in germany (town of Frankfurt). As I usually received answers on Telegram from him at times where I would think people in germany are sleeping I kind of started thinking that maybe he runs some kind of operation somewhere in South East Asia (probably Vietnam, Thailand or Philipines)

6. After loosing all of my money, which according to Robert was my own fault since I did not follow his signals correctly and did not use my brain (lol), I started to dive deeper into finding the actual person behind this. I found some hints thanks to other people that were scamed as well, but not enough to really pinpoint if Robert really is a real person or just a made up one. As soon as I find out more I will update you guys here.

Until then I can only advise everybody to stay away as far as possible from his so called free trading service. Although everything seems to be super well researched you will definitely end up loosing money.
First, thanks for your contribution!
Very interesting that he is originated in south east Asia
Maybe you can also teach me how you tracked him down haha.
Did you get him by tracking the destination of sent and received packages?
Anyway, I guess you read my comment too, but I still think some of his Signals have some sort of Value, though the missing infos.
He also responded in perfect german when I texted him and his fundamentel texts also contain a lot of work I guess.
Still not sure wether this is legit or not.
 
SCAM ALERT:

Smarttrader by Robert Lindner is a smam, but it is disguised as a valid service. I monitored this service for over 1 year now and traded his so called signals with real money. This is what I found out:

1. After signing up you are contacted by Robert to ask what your experience with trading is and what your goals are. The communication is nice but a bit pushy as Robert will very quickly push you towards opening an account with BDSwiss with north of USD 1.000 in deposit. After entering the free trading group on Telegram you can get a first view on how the signals are.... Most of the signals are blurred in the free Telegram group and upon asking about this Robert replies that all signals are only available to people who are "serious about trading" (whatever that means). Anyway, I did as requested and opened an account with BDSwiss and deposited USD 1.000

2. Robert posts a lot of trading signals every day in his Telegram group, however the signals are missing a lot of additional data: He never shares his entry price for a position and he never shares a stop loss or take profit. He will send then updates on positions with stop loss and take profit but only if those are in profit. This leads to the situation where one when reading the Telegram group gets the assumption that almost all the positions are profitiable when in reality he only updates the positions that were succesful. He also never uses entry points but instead writes something like "get in as high or low as possible". Even thought I traded almost all of his positions for quite some time it seemed to me as if he is faking his entries as somehow even on the good positions my entries were never as perfect as his. I asked him about this and got the answer that he cannot update every position as he trades to many positions every day. For me it looks like he is cherry picking to only update the positions that are performing well and fakes his entry price.

3. Fake Testimonials: Robert posts almost every day testimonials from clients that supposedly earned a lot of money with his signals, but somehow he is not willing to share the details with those clients when asked about them. Since wording and story somehow become repetitive after a while it honestly seems like the stories are made up. He highlights that Smarttrader is a community but there is no chance to talk to other people in this so called "community"

4. He gets money when you open an account with BDSwiss: This one took some time and research to find out, but a person that is currently working at a Forex Broker told me that Brokers usually pay a fixed amount of money for every client brought to them by a business partner. Supposedly this amount is somewhere around 700-1.400 USD per client. To me this makes sense remembering how I was pushed to into opening an account with BDSwiss by Robert or otherwise I could not enter his so called "VIP group". To me this is super contradictory to him saying that he does the whole trading thing because he wants to help people.

5. Back tracing communication: As I have a background in computer science I was able to back trace some of the communication with Robert. Although I was not able to pinpoint the exact location the messages originated somewhere in the south east asian region, although Robert always says he is living in germany (town of Frankfurt). As I usually received answers on Telegram from him at times where I would think people in germany are sleeping I kind of started thinking that maybe he runs some kind of operation somewhere in South East Asia (probably Vietnam, Thailand or Philipines)

6. After loosing all of my money, which according to Robert was my own fault since I did not follow his signals correctly and did not use my brain (lol), I started to dive deeper into finding the actual person behind this. I found some hints thanks to other people that were scamed as well, but not enough to really pinpoint if Robert really is a real person or just a made up one. As soon as I find out more I will update you guys here.

Until then I can only advise everybody to stay away as far as possible from his so called free trading service. Although everything seems to be super well researched you will definitely end up loosing money.
Hi @Scamexposed we are sorry to hear about this. We were unable to identify your BDSwiss Account using your FPA username and we were wondering if you could share with us your trading account number in order to look into this further for you.
We look forward to hearing from you soon.
The BDSwiss Team
 
Hi @Scamexposed we are sorry to hear about this. We were unable to identify your BDSwiss Account using your FPA username and we were wondering if you could share with us your trading account number in order to look into this further for you.
We look forward to hearing from you soon.
The BDSwiss Team
I find it very interesting that suddenly BDSwiss feels like they should answer to this conversation. So Robert is after all a product of BDSwiss or how am I supposed to interpreted that all of a sudden BDSwiss thinks they should add to this discussion?

@BDSwiss: If you are really interested into keeping your clients happy I am sure you can enlighten us about Robert and his trading community, right? After all he says that he has a direct connection to the management team of BDWiss.
 
BDSwiss contacted me and told me about this case. I would like to note at this point that I have never attached much importance to present myself to the outside world as successful, as someone who does something good or who wants to be admired somehow. I have been trading for many years and I have always stayed away from forums like this one, because in public forums usually no meaningful conversations can be found. Trading is a complicated topic, often confusing, where everyone wants to give their opinion, but very few know “what it is all about”. It is a topic in which everyone can and does express their opinion, precisely because everyone can interpret it as they wish and retrospectively it is easy to convince people that your statement made somehow sense.

Trading, "so-called" trading experts or in general this sheer number of scammers who pretend online to do some kind of special analysis, robo trading, other working strategies based on fundamental indicators some special strategy or an alleged fundamental analysis etc. this is nothing else but a plague that puts online trading in a disreputable image. For years. And most of the time, rightly so.

Forums, also like this one (also due to the number of scammers in these forums) and many dubious brokers etc. have only strengthened this image. Sorry for my intro.

I rarely speak publicly, because I am ACTUALLY busy trading and analyzing. At least 10h rather around 16h I analyze the markets every day, write about it, help people, explain what to avoid and what is important. The applause is very small. Why do the markets do what they do and what do they do at all? How is that to be interpreted? We want to understand what the "real causal connections'' are - why and where are the markets going to? AGAIN the WHY, is what matters in my analysis, what matters in fundamental analysis. I never talk about any technical indicators or simple winning strategies, but analyze the markets fundamentally - through and through, day in, day out. And this very successfully - for years. Not only for me, but especially for a wonderful "community" of thousands of people from all over the world.

I don't know who is hiding behind your striking name @Scamexposed - but I would like to express my sympathy at this point that you obviously belong to those who for whatever reason did not manage to draw anything meaningful from my analyses - perhaps did not understand them (perhaps because I did not explain them well enough to you) - You are one of a handful of some 20,000 members that trade with me. That's a real shame and I'd be happy to look at your trades and we can talk about them together - as I'm sure we have done in the past - at least if you really talked to me. AND by the way, I always do that - often until 3-4 o'clock at night I look at trades of colleagues, friends, community members (or anybody who needs my help - I don’t even care with who you trade or what you have done in the past) and try to find out together where the hair is in the soup (a german saying). Sometimes it's just about the construction worker who has lost €50, because he has not set a SL or has traded much too large - "because it has always gone so well, Robert".

But what really bothers me about your post, I must say at this point, that you are doing a disservice here for the thousands of people who are very grateful for my work. I have already said several times in the past that I only do the extra work besides my analysis and trading because I want to be an antithesis in this confusion of false experts/prophets and "I'll show you my Lamborghini so my nonsense must make sense" - because I'm really about people - and also most of our members are about helping other people - as long as they are in a privileged position - and let’s be honest - 99% of us are - and the other 1% I am gladly helping with every cell in my body to get into some kind of “privileged” position.

There have been many scammers who pretend to be me and I have often toyed with the idea of throwing in the towel. But I feel responsible - every day for all those whom I can help, whom I can bring the markets closer to. That's why, in principle, I haven't taken a single day off in almost three years of SmartTrader - this is true - and holy f* often very exhausting.

In the end, I have to say that I don't quite understand what you're getting at, or how you can get the idea that my analysts are a scam. Anyone who knows the slightest thing about trading (sorry to be so harsh here, but it's true) - better yet understands anything about fundamental analysis, can never even remotely think that what I do is in any way "scam". To be honest, this is the first time I have heard such a thing. You also seem to be an intelligent person - at least how you can articulate yourself - it is and remains a mystery to me how you can claim that this work I do, these analyses I do for myself, renowned experts and for our members (all 100% free of charge by the way) are in any way made up, fallen from the sky or whatever.

I can only emphasize once again, write to me (if you have ever written with me). I help you gladly and as well and much as I can, no matter where the problem lies and also look glady at whatever “potential mess” you have traded (usually I find more positive things than negative things) and where, if you have actually traded my analyses, have deviated. I am (almost) 100% sure that we will find those things that prevented you from trading more successfully. If you really traded with me for 1 year - then you must have had a lot of phases in which you traded well (maybe out of luck / maybe because you did more things “right” than “wrong”) - I am also happy to listen to YOUR analysis and why you traded, how you traded. After all, I also encourage everybody to think with their own head, too. People who do not know what they are doing - do not survive two weeks - which means you have been doing most likely many things not that wrong. And if daytrading is too stressful for you or it is not for you for other reasons (scared money, impatience etc.), then I can explain something about longer term investments - but again I don't want any commission or money from you for that. Maybe putting money into a vanguard S&P 500 ETF, and not trade at all, is the best for you.

Even though you robbed me a lot of my sleep today (Sprichst du Deutsch?), I wish you all the best and enjoy(ed) “talking” to you. Liebe Grüße, Robert. It’s almost 5 am now.

I also apologize in advance if I can't answer immediately tomorrow (as I said, just write to me, I am happy to do what I can) - during trading hours, especially US trading hours, my focus is on the markets.
 
Thank you for your answer @Robert and sorry for my late reply. I think everybody here appreciates very much that you answered directly. This at least gives your services some credibility.

However, words are just words.... I have yet to see anything in terms of personal track record to prove you are really such a great trader. It is one thing to share testimonials on a Telegram Channel but a whole other story to really share a verified track record with your community. I really do not understand where the problem for you would be in giving your personal results to, for example, a notary, get the confirmation that everything is valid and then share that with your community - no need to share any trading secrets, just the official confirmation that you are actually earning money with this for your own account.... discussions like ours here would be avoided for good and there would be absolutely no doubt anymore about your services/reputation. As long as something like this does not happen you will always have to live with the reality of people accusing you of being a scam that sells traders to brokers for commission.

Prove to me here that you are the "real deal" by sharing your personal results and I will happily become your most diligent student and advocate. Until then I will take everything you wrote with a grain of salt since you did not really write anything but claiming that you helped 20,000 community members, work until 3 am at night, do not understand what I am "getting at" and be frustrated about me daring to question your motives.
 
This guy is still active..... and scamming people? I really cannot warn anybody enough to NOT fall for the promises of Robert Lindner. He earns his money by referring you to Brokers that earn money if you loose money.... that actually should already be enough to keep you from risking your hard earned money.

One of the brokers he is referring you to (bdswiss) just got banned to onboard european clients!!!

Do NOT fall for offers like this please.....signal providers that do not provide you with a stop loss and take profit do so for a reason....because they are not earning money with trading but with referring clients to brokers.
 
Stay away from this..... all the alarm bells are triggered. No contact address/disclaimer on the homepage, so you do not know who you are dealing with by the end of the day. If you search for Robert Lindner online you get a lot of results but no personal social media presence of Robert himself...almost as if he does not exist and is a fake person...a huge no no!

Most important: I was pushed by him to invest several thousand of dollars into a bdswiss account because otherwise I "am not serious about trading" (really his words). His trading signals were ****.....couple of good signals and plenty of bad ones which he never updated on his Telegram channel....
 
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