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Hi Guys,

I updated the links on this post.

I have just signed up and am very new to trading and forex, I already have few beginner questions:

I was reading here (thismatter.com/money/forex/forex-broker.htm) that there are two types of brokers. A Dealing desk broker is not a good choice because they manipulate the spread and cost you more even though they do not charge a commission. Now I was reading on fxcm.com website and here (docs.fxcorporate.com/charges_and_fees_llc.pdf?_ga=1.32549950.1821699783.1485484457) that they do what is known as no dealing desk, and they charge by pip markup in the spread which roughly translates to a small commission.

Q1. The FMCM company has a program (help.fxcm.com/us/Opening-an-Account/More-Topics/38756014/How-do-I-sign-up-for-the-OTA-reimbursement.htm) to provide a tuition waiver for students, the requirement is that I trade a minimum of 100K in round turn notional volume. Example: if I open and close a 100K EUR/USD position, the notional value is 200K. If this is easily manageable by any newbie why does this sound like I am missing some thing, it seems to me this is a free lunch, or am I missing some fine print? Whats the catch?

Q2. I would like to understand the actual costs involved and time involved when setting up a trading account funded with say $2500 to get started trading say EUR/USD on a live account for me is it possible to obtain such a waiver that is close to $50,000 USD (Tuition costs). If so in how much time will I be able to achieve such a rebate so that I break even with my tuition costs (I have not yet fully developed a trading plan nor a strategy, please excuse my lack of knowledge).

Q3. What should be my daily trade plan to achieve above mentioned goals?

Q4. What is the benefit for a large company like FXCM to provide rebates and advertise those rebates on their website. Is it purely growing their client base and branding which I understand is necessary or do they actually profit from this?

Q5. What other verified and reputed choices of brokerage I have to compare to FXCM?

Please guide me with your answers. I would appreciate comments both from experienced traders newbie traders and company representatives.

Thank you.
Om

Q1: After the recent scandal and banning of FXCM and its CEO and criminal accomplices from ever doing business in the USA, I believe that it should be self-evident at this point why you should avoid FXCM. Butif you insist on giving your money away, then please give it to me. End result for you will be the same. ;-)

Q2: No cost and less than 48 hours for most retail brokers.

Q2: If you are asking how much time will it take to grow 2.5K into 50K with the lack of knowledge you currently have, then the only answer I can give you is: FORGET IT! YOU ARE DREAMING. I know how it feels--you may be hurting for money, but in this case, I am sorry to say, it can't be done IF you have neither the knowledge nor experience. You would need a lot of both and if you are excellent, then in 6 months you could turn 2.5K into 50K BUT that means knowing how to manage your risk and knowing your market price patterns like the back of your hand, and have Lady Luck on your side most of the time. And most importantly, have the right broker. (more on that later)

Q3: Your daily trading plan will fall into place once you have deep knowledge and experience, which is the only way you will know on an instinctive level what can and cannot be achieved by you. Only you can be the judge of that. But to judge it correctly, you need the knowledge, the experience, and have developed your instincts. Different people do it differently. There is no one size fits all. But in my experience, it requires at least 4 to 8 hours of screen time in the beginning. At least enough screen time to understand what and how different pairs move during the Asian, European and US sessions.

Forget about trading index and metals CFDs for the moment.

I would even say: DO NOT TOUCH any CFD that is a derivative of an instrument that you could trade on exchange as in these cases you absolutely need to have a clear and accurate picture of volume to spot algo spoofing and other manipulations--technical analysis only in these markets does not always give the same results as in SPOT FX, so any additional tools you can use, the better.

Example: Bookmap X-Ray for the Futures market is an awesome app that gives this edge and is not available on SPOT FX since there is no central volume data available as there is not central limit order book as on an exchange. This does not mean that exchange trading is safer or not prone to scams, because it is unfortunately, but the scams need to be more sophisticated and thus harder to pull off because if they get caught, they usually go to jail. Then again, with the exception of the systematic internalizers buying retail client order flow from stock brokerages (read the latest news re why Interactive Brokers decided to stop offering Options trading to its clients, the HFT crowd and their colluding partners in crime such as exchanges like BATS (read the story of how the company of algo trader Haim Bodek went out of business because of the collusion between BATS and some of its HFT customers. A good source for the latter is to go to the site of Nanex and read the research papers there. Alternatively, you can watch an excellent documentary produced by vpro, a Dutch production house, on the whole sordid affair called: The Wall St Code, here on Youtube: ).

To go back to your question: As a rule of thumb:

1/ conservative approach: 100K in the account == trade no more than 1 standard lot.
2/ very risky approach: 10K in the account == 1 standard lot trade --> lose 100 pips and you just lost 1K, that is, 10% of your account. Pros will tell you to never risk losing more than 2 or 2.5% in 1 day. If you reach that loss limit, you need to stop trading, and reboot your brain until you get your shlte together again. So in case you trade 1 standard lot or 100K notional in the market, then a 2% loss == $200 or 20 pips.

You can see now that if you trade 1 standard lot or more with only 2.5K in the account as a beginner, well, you are asking to lose it all very quickly.
2.5K and no more than 2% risk means that if you open a position of 1 mini-lot or 10K notional in the market, then you cannot lose more than 50 pips since each pip value is now $1, so 50 pips == $50, which is 2% of 2.5K.

So you do the math to answer your Q3 question.

Q4: Since there just was yet another scandal involving FXCM and definitely proving they were lying to their customers and shareholders (there is now a class-action lawsuit underway against defunct FXCM), yes, it's to attract more clients in the hope of replacing the lost revenue from the 50,000 US clients they just lost and the potential clients who will now close their accounts in light of the unethical and illegal behavior on the part of FXCM. And yes, to get more profit since statistics favor the House, not the client. Just look at the increased regulatory action in Europe against Binary Options brokers, and now CFD brokers as their customers are just being fleeced outright, the House (in these cases read 'the Casino') always wins.

Q5: If you are a US resident, very few. Let's examine what is available to you in the US.

If you insist on trading only SPOT FX, and by your questions I will assume you do not have $250K available to open a prime account with GAIN GTX to trade on their institutional ECN, then, and since you are a beginner, I would recommend the only SPOT FX broker that has a clean record and still remains standing: OANDA. Yes, it is a market maker. But when you look at all the other brokers in the US, they all B-book their clients, that is, operate as a market maker. And in the rest of the world, you are lucky if they don't try to B-book you first, then put you on the A-book once they see you win more often than you lose. This also applies all the way up even with so-called institutional brokers such as INTL FCStone who, by using Integral as their technology provider for SPOT FX, do get the choice to setup both A- and B-books.

That being said, execution is not going to be amazing in terms of best price you can get when compared to brokers such as LMAX or CFH Clearing in the UK (not talking about execution speed here). And even though they just launched their Raw Spreads offering (http://financefeeds.com/oanda-launches-raw-spreads-plus-commission-pricing-us-clients/), they still B-book you, not giving people a chance to trade on an ECN against other clients of the ECN. BUT that is ok, especially if you are a beginner.

What OANDA offers that I think is very positive for people who are beginners and trade small (<= 10M notional or 100 standard lots per ticket):

- no execution delay since you trade on the internal or synthetic market OANDA creates for you, in other words, as long as they remain properly capitalized, they can always match your trade against their own liquidity, not the real market liquidity, and so when you want to sell, you will always find a buyer--OANDA, and when you want to buy, you will always find a seller--OANDA, so you can always get out of a trade; but this also means, they can execute it on whatever price they want, not the real market price, IFF they are dishonest, which is not possible on an exchange or real ECN environment;

- the corollary to the above is that you also get so-called 'guaranteed' stop-losses because if their automated risk management engine works as it should, in case of a market melt-down they can get all the small trades closed without problems since they do not depend on an external counterparty to match those trades;

- in spite of what I just wrote, if they do not assume client risk at all, meaning they aggregate all the client trades and offload them onto an external liquidity provider or counterparty no matter what (but still internally they are the counterparty to all client trades and thus make money when you lose, and lose money when you win (this remains true regardless of how they handle client risk)), then they can neither guarantee your stop-loss nor that you will be able to get out of the market in time (refer back to what happened in January 2015 with the SNB liquidity event) because now they if it is total chaos on their external counterparty side, they will have to manage to get out of those trades first before they can get you out, and in January 2015 when the SNB removed the EURCHF peg, that's exactly what happened, not only with them, but with FXCM, which lost almost 300M/USD and literally would have gone bankrupt overnight were it not for the emergency fund injection from Leucadia.

- based on my conversations with them, I believe they operate a hybrid model: if the statistics they keep on clients show the client loses more than he wins, they systematically B-book the client to keep the profit instead of passing the profit on to an external counterparty; if the statistics shows the opposite, they hedge your trade in the external, real, market, even though they B-booked you; and since they told me that they don't want to take on more than 10M in risk per client (this is the reason why you cannot create a trade > 10M per ticket or per mouse-click) but still allow a client to open multiple tickets in the size of 10M (you could open 10 trading positions each 10M in size if you wanted, controlling thus 100M in the market), these kind of trades they flip over to their liquidity providers.

I only mention it to be exhaustive as this does not matter when you can only trade small sizes. When you can trade large, then you would go to a broker that is setup to get you the best possible price and spread for such large orders--OANDA is not setup for that so even though you might get better prices on LMAX even for small ticket sizes, it doesn't matter much if you consistently lose. Even if you consistently win, you are trading so small that a 1 pip or even a 2 pip improvement only gets $10 or $20 more in profit. Not a big deal.

- next: they offer great 3rd party trading tools such as MotiveWave, MultiCharts, PFSoft's ProTrader, and SEERS for algo development, and Beeks VPS;

- an ethical business as evidenced by the lack of regulatory action against OANDA worldwide shows that until now they have refrained from scamming or cheating their customers--they don't have to since statistics is on their side.


What I don't like about OANDA is:

- 50:1 leverage (in the USA), but that's the fault of the regulator and the lack of power retail traders have in this industry to exert pressure where pressure should be exerted;

- no ECN environment;

- for large trade tickets, say >= 10M all the way up to 1B, you will get better execution (speed and price) on institutional ECNs such as HotSpotFX, FXAll, Currenex, FastMatch;

- no correct segregation of funds;

- they are sticklers for the rules, meaning they won't onboard new clients if they are outside the particular jurisdiction where the OANDA subsidiary happens to operate in, that is: OANDA (US) will not accept a Japanese client as he would have to go through OANDA (Japan).


NOW, the other option you have is to forget about the OTC SPOT FX market, and concentrate on the Futures market and use brokers such as tradovate.com, Stage5, TopStepTrader.com. The latter is your more traditional style Futures brokerage. One of its principal is a trader that goes by the name of futurestrader71 and posts on his site and youtube channel free training and tips for everybody to learn how to trade the futures market. Great guys, great customer service. With them, you would need to download a standalone app or more to access the market and your fee structure would be different than tradovate.

What I like about tradovate and why I recommend them to a beginner is because:

- you pay only a modest monthly fee no matter your trading activity;

- even though you have the option of downloading their trading platform as a standalone app, you get it as a web app as well, with everything in the cloud, so should you lose connectivity or your PC melts down, your trades, triggers, algos, alerts, everything is still running safely in the cloud;

- their trading app is awesome; I can't praise it enough: it has got everything you need, is absolutely superbly designed (best UI/UX across the board IMHO), integrates with 3rd party solutions such as OFA/AlgoX, Jigsaw, and Bookmap X-Ray;

- has an embedded Javascript editor so you can code your own indicators and strategies--no more coding in Pine--if you are using tradingview.com, then you know how bad that language is;

- their standalone app is exactly the same as the web app, so not sure why people prefer downloading an extra app when they could just open Chrome and benefit from all the extra security features built into Chrome. Perhaps they did this because Chrome uses a lot more resources;

- you are trading a real market on exchange with all the benefits that come from having the CME as the central counterparty! no more worrying about the broker or 'B-book this, B-book that'.

- and of course, even though you don't have all the currency pair a SPOT FX broker would offer, you can trade so many other instruments that have decent enough liquidity to be able to get in/out at the prices you want, so multiple stream of money making opportunity as well: trade 5 currency pairs at the same time (not recommended) or trade 5 Futures instruments (Euro, SP500 mini, Oil, Live Cattle, Lean Hogs).

Now, for the cons:

- Futures instrument (other than the major currencies) tend to be a lot more volatile than SPOT FX majors, so riskier;
- the technical analysis approach needs to be adapted accordingly, but if you never experienced SPOT FX, you don't have to make this transition, you could start from the right foot without having to unlearn anything;
- you need to learn how to read the DOM and understand how to use volume information, which is an added layer of complexity compared to the volume-less analysis done in SPOT FX.
- if trading with traditional brokers such as Stage5 or AMP, I believe the total fees are higher (but don't take my word for it, I haven't checked properly).
- the market is not open 24hrs/day, so if you keep positions open beyond the official close time, there's a bunch of additional risk and cost factors you will need to be able to handle, as well as when you roll your position over at expiry into the next contract period.


And if you want to trade without using any of your money, then you can pay TopStepTrader a small monthly fee. They have great resources to help your learn this market. The way it works, they want to find people who can be consistently profitable to give them their money to manage later on. For the privilege, you pay a monthly fee to take part in trading competitions, and those who emerge on top, get funded by the company to start trading real money as prop traders. A brilliant concept and no time pressure. And a great way to learn.

Finally, read this:

https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/comm...a-b-c-book-business-models.49239/#post-275366

https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/leverage-and-margin-question.48704/#post-274677

https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/globalprime-com-au.20037/#post-261180

https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/comm...dy-read-this-otc-fx-moving-to-exchange.49536/

Also, I just posted 1 more today in Beginner's forum or General FX discussions--can't remember which--to explain how brokers need to get credit lines from institutions and if they don't get them, what the implications are for their clients in terms of execution venue.


OK, that's about it. I know, it's a lot to ingest in one sitting. Nonetheless, it's all about information asymmetry, so the more you know, the better armed you are.


PS: for the experts out there, if I wrote something erroneous, then please correct me.
 
Hi Jason, with complex order routing I was referring primarily to a combination of low-latency execution through hosted direct market access via co-located servers with exchange matching engines, as well as rules-based orders such as DOM-triggered orders and custom built rules orders. Yes, that can be scripted in LUA, but sometimes it would be nice to have a front-end interface to be able to rapidly build rules-based orders.
 
So Jason... are you still maintaining your claims of NDD on behalf of FXCM.. ahum, sorry, now known as Global Brokerage?

It's amazing that for years you went online on all these forums and told people not to worry that FXCM was above board and all that nonsense. Well... the CFTC has ruled, the lack of ethics on the part of Dror Niv and his acolytes got him and FXCM irrevocably banned from ever doing business in the USA.

What have you got to say for yourself now?

Yes @outofphase, while the nature of FXCM's settlement with the CFTC prohibits me from commenting on the specifics, I want you to know we continue to stand by the quality of our trade execution in general and our No Dealing Desk (NDD) forex pricing in particular.

Also, to clarify, FXCM Group LLC and its global subsidiaries and affiliates (FXCM UK, FXCM Australia, FXCM Germany, FXCM South Africa, etc.) will continue to offer forex and CFD trading services outside the US using the FXCM brand name. It's only the publicly traded holding company FXCM Inc. (which owns 50.1% of FXCM Group with Leucadia owning the remaining 49.9%) that changed its name to Global Brokerage Inc.


Consider what happened on January 15, 2015 with the SNB flash crash:

The majority of retail forex traders were long EUR/CHF when the Swiss National Bank made their surprise announcement to abandon the 1.2000 exchange rate floor they had established for the pair. Had FXCM been on the other side of client trades, we would have made money when EUR/CHF dropped and retail traders took massive losses on their long positions.

The moved wiped out those clients' account equity as well as generated negative equity balances owed to FXCM of over $225 million. The caveat of our NDD model is that traders are offset one for one with a liquidity provider. When a client entered a EUR/CHF trade with FXCM, FXCM Inc. had an identical trade with our liquidity providers. During the historic move, liquidity became extremely scarce and shallow, which affected execution prices. This liquidity issue resulted in some clients having a negative balance.

While clients using NDD forex execution did not cover their margin call with us we still had to cover the same margin call with our liquidity providers. As a result, FXCM ended with a regulatory capital shortfall. Accordingly, FXCM needed to get a loan to cover this balance, which we did. For anyone that still thinks FXCM is running an FX dealing desk on our NDD model, the SNB event demonstrated that is not the case.


How does our NDD model work?

FXCM uses 16 liquidity providers to create a best bid best offer price stream for clients. LPs selected to price retail clients are forced to adhere to an extremely high standard of execution beyond just price including consistently low rejection rates, low latency, minimum quote sizes and high fill ratios even during market events.


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We discuss in our UK execution study the criteria we use to rank our liquidity providers which you can see listed in question 13 of the FAQ. FXCM's liquidity providers are ranked based on compliance to these standards which we identify as providing the best customer experience possible. Being a top ranked liquidity provider is important. Liquidity providers with the best pricing according to these rules may gain an advantage over other liquidity providers which could result in a large increase in orders captured. Poorly performing liquidity providers are ranked lower for order flow and ultimately could be removed from our platform until they return to compliance.

Also, the results of this study show FXCM UK retail client order prices to be better for FX than futures prices (74.97% of the time) and interbank prices(91.56% of the time).*

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* The study does not in away way attempt to represent that FXCM maintains a particular capacity or performance level. The figures in this study are provided for information purposes only, and are not intended for trading purposes or advice. FXCM is not liable for any information errors, incompleteness, or delays, or for any actions taken in reliance on information contained herein. Past results are not indicative of future performance.

Material Assumptions
FXCM's Retail Clients are defined as individual, joint, and corporate accounts trading on our retail price stream.

The comparison to each of the Futures and Interbank data is made at the time that the FXCM client order is executed. Normal market slippage and slippage due to rejections by liquidity providers are already included by the time the FXCM client order is executed. However, there is an assumption that there is no slippage on the Futures or Interbank market data.

In order to maintain consistency, Futures Market data and Interbank data used the same acceptable ranges in market trades. The summary of findings is based on the assumption that the maximum acceptable difference between the FXCM price and the Interbank/Futures market price is 5 pips in either direction.

Fees that a participant would pay on the Futures or Interbank market, such as CME Exchange Fees, NFA Fees, FCM Fees, Clearing Fees, and other commissions, were excluded from the study. Similarly, FXCM Commissions are excluded from the study.
 
Hi Jason, with complex order routing I was referring primarily to a combination of low-latency execution through hosted direct market access via co-located servers with exchange matching engines, as well as rules-based orders such as DOM-triggered orders and custom built rules orders. Yes, that can be scripted in LUA, but sometimes it would be nice to have a front-end interface to be able to rapidly build rules-based orders.

Thanks for this additional feedback, Wollfj

As you pointed out, such functionality can be scripted. Should there be sufficient demand, you may see it added as a default feature on Trading Station. If so , I'll let you know. :)
 
People , FXCM is a market maker and not a broker. Most traders dont even know the difference , A broker executes orders for you and will not trade against you , and they have a transparant liquidity providers order flow. A market maker WILL TRADE AGAINST YOU !!! I f you win the market maker loses money. THats why fxcm makes these weird jumps from time to time , and they got trown off of the us market for stealing money from their clients. FXCM IS A MARKET MAKER WHOM PRETEND TO BE A BROKER!!! I had a slippage of 11p compared to most providers during a high volality trade ( rate decision ) and got a margin call. So i chatted with fxcm support , think it was a highschool student or something , It was pathetic , being an email clerk doesnt make one a trader , why is an idiot like that advicing me ? Mostly i dont have any problem , but they live support are a bunch of retarded idiots. And FXCM will trade against you , but they wont tell you that regarding the fact that they are brokers , they are market makers . Only ECN/STP association brokers are the real brokers. I will leave FXCM soon.
 
People , FXCM is a market maker and not a broker. Most traders dont even know the difference , A broker executes orders for you and will not trade against you , and they have a transparant liquidity providers order flow. A market maker WILL TRADE AGAINST YOU !!! I f you win the market maker loses money. THats why fxcm makes these weird jumps from time to time , and they got trown off of the us market for stealing money from their clients. FXCM IS A MARKET MAKER WHOM PRETEND TO BE A BROKER!!! I had a slippage of 11p compared to most providers during a high volality trade ( rate decision ) and got a margin call. So i chatted with fxcm support , think it was a highschool student or something , It was pathetic , being an email clerk doesnt make one a trader , why is an idiot like that advicing me ? Mostly i dont have any problem , but they live support are a bunch of retarded idiots. And FXCM will trade against you , but they wont tell you that regarding the fact that they are brokers , they are market makers . Only ECN/STP association brokers are the real brokers. I will leave FXCM soon.

Hi remy,

FXCM offers both No Dealing Desk forex execution and Dealing Desk forex execution. We are actually quite transparent about this on our website. Explained in detail https://www.fxcm.com/uk/legal/trading-execution-risks/

How does our NDD model work?

Multiple liquidity providers compete to provide the best prices on FXCM's NDD execution model. Each liquidity provider streams through a direct feed of executable buy and sell prices to FXCM. FXCM's No Dealing Desk Price Engine selects the best buy price and the best sell price, which result in the best available spread. There is no markup added to FXCM's Standard No Dealing Desk account type, making our spreads transparent and some of the lowest in the industry.

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When you place an order, each order is offset one for one with a liquidity provider. This eliminates the conflict of interest between us and the trader. To the liquidity provider, all orders appear as Market Orders from FXCM and contain no information about the trader. Since your stops, limits, and your entry orders are invisible to these price providers, we create an environment free of price manipulation. When we combine this with no re-quote trading you have the opportunity to confidently trade all market conditions, even during key news events.

How does our DD model work?

For traders wanting to start with a smaller account balance, we offer traditional dealing desk model where FXCM acts as the counterparty and determines the prices and spreads. It's worth noting that FXCM uses the same base price for DD execution on Mini accounts (before adding a fixed markup) as the base price we use for our NDD execution (before adding the commission). That's a key reason you can have confidence trading with FXCM regardless of the account type you choose.


*Risk Warning: Our service includes products that are traded on margin and carry a risk of losses in excess of your deposited funds. The products may not be suitable for all investors. Please ensure that you fully understand the risks involved.
 
How does our NDD model work?

FXCM uses 16 liquidity providers to create a best bid best offer price stream for clients. LPs selected to price retail clients are forced to adhere to an extremely high standard of execution beyond just price including consistently low rejection rates, low latency, minimum quote sizes and high fill ratios even during market events.

That's only part of the truth, and you know it.

Let me refresh your memory:

'According to the NFA’s complaint, the no dealing desk model was routing orders to a ‘dealing desk’ model which was largely serviced by liquidity provider (LP) Effex Capital. The latter was presented by the firm to be an independent counterpart, however the document states that FXCM was actually supporting and controlling the LP.

Effex is said to have paid rebates to FXCM amounting to up to 70 percent of the profits of the LP. FXCM was directing the majority of its clients’ trades to the unit.'

source: http://www.financemagnates.com/fore...rged-fxcm-using-lp-no-dealing-desk-execution/
 
People , FXCM is a market maker and not a broker. Most traders dont even know the difference , A broker executes orders for you and will not trade against you , and they have a transparant liquidity providers order flow. A market maker WILL TRADE AGAINST YOU !!! I f you win the market maker loses money. THats why fxcm makes these weird jumps from time to time , and they got trown off of the us market for stealing money from their clients. FXCM IS A MARKET MAKER WHOM PRETEND TO BE A BROKER!!! I had a slippage of 11p compared to most providers during a high volality trade ( rate decision ) and got a margin call. So i chatted with fxcm support , think it was a highschool student or something , It was pathetic , being an email clerk doesnt make one a trader , why is an idiot like that advicing me ? Mostly i dont have any problem , but they live support are a bunch of retarded idiots. And FXCM will trade against you , but they wont tell you that regarding the fact that they are brokers , they are market makers . Only ECN/STP association brokers are the real brokers. I will leave FXCM soon.

Remy, slippage during volatile times is not unusual. Also, it will depend on how much liquidity is available at TOB (top-of-book) for all client orders competing for the same price at that same moment in time. Then when TOB liquidity is exhausted, the execution algo starts sweeping the book going through the L2 price levels to find a fill.

Now, granted that FXCM can't pretend anymore that there were not cheating their clients after the NFA's action against it and legal ban from ever doing business in the USA, your evidence is not conclusive. Perhaps the other providers you use as a reference point had less or no slippage precisely because they are market making or B-booking.

Remember that a honest market maker--yes, they exist--don't need to cheat because like a casino, the odds are in favor of the house, meaning that there is a significantly higher percentage of traders that will lose over a specific time period than win. Therefore, all the B-book broker has to do, since time is on its side, is wait and let probability work in its favor. For every trade it fills on the other side of its client, on a long enough time period, the client will lose all his/her money to the broker simply by making the wrong trading choices. So you see, why does a market maker need to cheat the retail client? No need. And that is exactly the model upon which OANDA is built on, or FxPro, or Dukascopy, or ICMarkets, etc....

Like Jarratt Davis puts it, why let the market win the client's money when you, the broker, actually wrong term--in this case, the dealer since the market maker is not acting as a broker--so why let the client lose his/her money to a LP when the dealer could pocket it by being the counterparty to every trade. Imagine you owned the Forex dealer market maker business. See, makes sense now, right? The tricky part for the dealer is to manage client risk properly and be capitalized enough just in case. This is the reason, if you study closely the backend software platforms sold to broker/dealers, why these platforms offer all sorts of metrics, analytics, liquidity and price stream and client management tools in order to help the market maker profit the most from its client flow internalization while at the same minimizing the risk of going bankrupt on the off-chance that a surprising number of its clients should put on large and profitable positions unexpectedly.

Put another way: Why do you think broker/dealers open this kind of business when instead they could be trading for themselves with the capital they have? They don't do it to make you rich or provide a service to the community. They do it because they know that owning a retail FX broker/dealer outfits is the next best thing to a casino and almost risk free for them, a cash machine that stops only when all the clients go broke or decide to close their accounts. But considering how the potential growth in this space is still huge, what with the all the people still in Africa and Asia not trading online yet, we see that this trend will continue for the foreseeable future as the old adage 'a sucker is born every minute' holds true more than ever.

To get back to the point, at the end of the day, there is no real ECN venue available for retail traders, except LMAX (a MTF as per European legal terminology). Everyone else is creating a synthetic market for their retail clients, notwithstanding all the marketing claims of 'true' ECN.

Also, ECN does not equal STP.
 
That's only part of the truth, and you know it.

Let me refresh your memory:

'According to the NFA’s complaint, the no dealing desk model was routing orders to a ‘dealing desk’ model which was largely serviced by liquidity provider (LP) Effex Capital. The latter was presented by the firm to be an independent counterpart, however the document states that FXCM was actually supporting and controlling the LP.

Effex is said to have paid rebates to FXCM amounting to up to 70 percent of the profits of the LP. FXCM was directing the majority of its clients’ trades to the unit.'

source: http://www.financemagnates.com/fore...rged-fxcm-using-lp-no-dealing-desk-execution/

Hi outofphase,

While I cannot speak about the NFA or CFTC complaint specifically due to the nature of our settlement, I can say that we have settled with the NFA and CFTC without admitting or denying any of their allegations or claims.

Something at odds with what you are saying is that FXCM would not have suffered more than $200 million dollars in losses during the SNB flash crash had we been taking the other side of client trades – unlike many dealing desk firms in the industry.

Jason
 
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