There are some people also affected by this company that they are th same as TradesPrime and Umarkets. Had you had your money back? if it was the case, How did you do it? Thank you
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Well, it is a long and painful story. I suggest you look at the thread I posted about Tradesprime recently as there is a lot of useful information about that fraudulent network that I have exposed
https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/tradesprime-scam-review-avoid-it-all-costs.55691/
Hopefully that will make things clearer.
To answer you questions please consider the following:
1) If you have signed those documents then this will be presented to the bank as evidence against you (hence why they either force you to sign it or forge your signature). It is no good saying that you signing those documents will not change anything as that is something that your bank will attack - Believe me I have been there and the situation gets very complicated.
2) Here's the thing - Tradesprime stole about £4000 from my bank accounts (most of which was not authorised). I went to each of my bank and raised charge-backs and fraud disputes for each bank I had money stolen from. So far I have only managed to get £1300 back and I am still waiting for a decision about the remaining £2700 (but I feel that I am unlikely to get this back due to the nature that these criminals operate - e.g. those card verification documents that were signed in my name without my permission were being used against me).
3) Your best bet is to look at all your information and compile a document loaded with evidence against these criminals.
I am going to ask you some questions that should get the ball rolling:
1) Did you open your account before October/November 2017? (Because a public warning was issued against these cyber criminals in that time period.
2) How many times have you requested a withdrawal of funds?
3) Do you take a screenshot of the completed withdrawal request?
4) Did you record any phone conversations you had with these liars? By this I mean these scammers and fraudsters keep making many promises (but never stick to a single one of those). Do you have anything of the sort?
5) Who was operating the account you or your account manager?
6) Have you closed your bank account(s) that were used to send this company the money?
7) Which country are you based in? If you are in the UK then you need to report this to Action Fraud and the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) to get reference numbers from both of these companies to present to the bank (this shows them that you have not careless with your money).
******* Please make that you always check in your country of residence which broker is REGULATED (I cannot stress this enough). If that broker is unregulated and you invest in them, then you are left helpless and a raging battle that will last for months on end will ensue.
If you can answer these questions then I can give you a better picture of where you stand.
In all fairness, you need to think very carefully about what you will say to the bank and what evidence you provide, as you cannot retract this.
Best of luck (we are going to need more than a miracle to pull through this misery)
Well, it is a long and painful story. I suggest you look at the thread I posted about Tradesprime recently as there is a lot of useful information about that fraudulent network that I have exposed
https://www.forexpeacearmy.com/community/threads/tradesprime-scam-review-avoid-it-all-costs.55691/
Hopefully that will make things clearer.
To answer you questions please consider the following:
1) If you have signed those documents then this will be presented to the bank as evidence against you (hence why they either force you to sign it or forge your signature). It is no good saying that you signing those documents will not change anything as that is something that your bank will attack - Believe me I have been there and the situation gets very complicated.
2) Here's the thing - Tradesprime stole about £4000 from my bank accounts (most of which was not authorised). I went to each of my bank and raised charge-backs and fraud disputes for each bank I had money stolen from. So far I have only managed to get £1300 back and I am still waiting for a decision about the remaining £2700 (but I feel that I am unlikely to get this back due to the nature that these criminals operate - e.g. those card verification documents that were signed in my name without my permission were being used against me).
3) Your best bet is to look at all your information and compile a document loaded with evidence against these criminals.
I am going to ask you some questions that should get the ball rolling:
1) Did you open your account before October/November 2017? (Because a public warning was issued against these cyber criminals in that time period.
2) How many times have you requested a withdrawal of funds?
3) Do you take a screenshot of the completed withdrawal request?
4) Did you record any phone conversations you had with these liars? By this I mean these scammers and fraudsters keep making many promises (but never stick to a single one of those). Do you have anything of the sort?
5) Who was operating the account you or your account manager?
6) Have you closed your bank account(s) that were used to send this company the money?
7) Which country are you based in? If you are in the UK then you need to report this to Action Fraud and the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) to get reference numbers from both of these companies to present to the bank (this shows them that you have not careless with your money).
******* Please make that you always check in your country of residence which broker is REGULATED (I cannot stress this enough). If that broker is unregulated and you invest in them, then you are left helpless and a raging battle that will last for months on end will ensue.
If you can answer these questions then I can give you a better picture of where you stand.
In all fairness, you need to think very carefully about what you will say to the bank and what evidence you provide, as you cannot retract this.
Best of luck (we are going to need more than a miracle to pull through this misery)
1) I oppened the account on January 2018. The foreign exchange comission of my country (CNMV) had no advise about this company (and still not having it, even after I was in touch with them advising of their practices exchanging some emails)
2) I don´t know exactly how many times. One by phone (after that no more phone calls), 2 by email, and 3 o 4 directly through their webpage.
3) No, but I have their emails confirming my withdrawal request. I don´t know if it is the same.
4) I hadn't recorded any phone call. All I have are their emails (confirmiing deposits, answering some doubts about positions opened, confirming withdrawals)
5) I was operating my account according to what my broker told me to do. It was trough MetaTrader5, MibIndex Live, but in my own session. I can open and close positions but not put or quit money. My money still being there, it appears the tag "Real" but some people told me it can be manipulated, so it could be a "demo" account as well.
6) I haven't closed my bank accounts, but I cancelled my debit card I used to make the deposit. Do you recomend I close my account? If it is the case, what do you recommend I have to say to my bank?
7) I'm based in Spain. I report it to CNMV, national police and Economic and fiscal crime unit. What do you mean about reference numbers of the company and how I can get them?
Thank you very much for the help. I have no hope of recovering my money, but if I can make things difficult for these scammers and prevent other people to lose their money... I'm in touch with other people scammed by this company, losing much more money than me and they are completely shattered
Right okay, your situation is slightly complex (but fortunately not as complex as mine). However, I sense that you may lack crucial evidence against these criminals. By the way, what was the name of the person you spoke to? Was it "Lara Mancini" (the tyrant) or "Stefano Di Luca" (the snake)?
Here is what I suggest you do:
1) Go to the CNMV and get evidence from they that they were unable to warn you to avoid this broker (a simple email will do the trick). By the way, how did you get in touch with this broker? Let me guess was it 'cold-calling' (because that is what these criminals love doing) or were they recommended to you by a friend?
2) You need a record of everything to save you. You must look through your phone history, trading history, MT5 platform, email etc and determine how many withdrawals you requested - You must include this as evidence in a document that you will submit to your bank for processing.
3) You need to fill out the withdrawal form for at least 3 occasions (and get email confirmation this has been received). This will prove to the bank that they have failed to provide the services they should have given. I would say do a new withdrawal form at 5-7 days apart and screenshot EVERYTHING (the more evidence the better for every case). These liars claim that a withdrawal takes 24-72 hours (which I recorded and uploaded onto the internet). By the way, I also recorded that (according to "Stefano Di Luca") those "card verification documents" are for "withdrawal". This is excellent evidence to provide for your bank (I suggest you watch this video, note down anything you think is important and include that link into your paperwork for the bank)
***** If the bank tries to be unreasonable saying that you might have fabricated this. Simply tell this individual that the number of the caller was presented several times during that video (which shows an Italian number, while I am based in UK/Spain etc). So don't tell me that this is fabricated. You need to be blunt (but NOT rude) when dealing with bank employees. If you have a helpful bank employee, breathe a sigh of relief because your life will get much easier.
4) Okay then, maybe you can use the video I have uploaded onto the internet as evidence against these fraudsters. However, be bear in mind that these criminals may have recorded their phone calls with you. If they call you and ask you to tell them the number that they are calling from. Do NOT tell them! Just hang up (as they will record you and use that as evidence against you, to the bank - which is absolutely revolting to say the least).
By the way, did they use different phone numbers when they called you? With me and my friends they had the nasty habit of changing their phone numbers every month or so (which clearly suggests their illegal activities).
5) Not a lot I can say here. If they operated the account for you that would have put you at greater advantage. For anyone who is reading this (and had their account operated by these criminals) just make sure you get evidence of that. This can be a skype chat, text message, email, a recorded phone conversation - Anything really, but please make sure you get it. Luckily for me "Lara Mancini" said on a skype chat "Look at the profit I have made on your account" - Music to my ears
6) Yes, close your account(s) associated with these transactions now. The technology that these cyber-criminals possess is shockingly sophisticated. They will draw money up to 10 years after you have finished dealing with them (that happened to a few of my friends despite taking measures to prevent this. The real issue was not closing his account, so please make sure you do and quickly). Just go and tell your bank: "Hello, I feel that I have had a breach in my account security, can I please close this account and open another one? Will my account number, sort code, IBAN, BIC/Swift be the same or change?" Make sure that the account number, sort code etc is different from the old account before proceeding. However, you need to make sure that you have your case ready with your mountain of evidence against this scamming network before you cancel your account.
TIP - You need to be very organised when dealing with the bank, otherwise it will go horribly wrong.
7) Okay, each time you call a specific organisation (in your case the national police etc) they will generate a number that is unique to you and your case. You need to go back to these organisations and request this number from them (by law they must give it to you upon request, but you need to ask for it). This information is crucial for banks so it must be provided in the document you will provide to your bank. What is likely to happen in your case, is that you will need to start from scratch and explain everything again. They will then generate a new reference number for you. (Please see "IMPORTANT")
IMPORTANT - Make sure that you ask the person you are talking to for:
A) Their name (and employee number if they can provide it; not all of them will be able to provide this, but it is worth asking for)
B) The reference number for this call
Make sure you note down this information. I cannot stress this enough.
Yes, you can make things very difficult for these scammers and I'll explain why. However, did you look at the link I provided to you in the previous post (as it kinds of explains this already)?
Currently this network has most (if not all of its bank accounts) on a "charge-back monitoring program". This arises when a merchant or scammers experiences a large volume of charge-backs. Which is hardly surprising given the fact that many people later cotton-onto the fact that these are fraudsters and scammers. Hence why they go to thee bank and ask for their money back - that is under the terms "Goods and Services not provided". With each charge-back you do (and the bank accepts it - the banks will not always accept it, so you need a good set of evidence to support you case and where you stand) the merchant will experience a penalty. This can vary between $10 - $100 per charge-back. However, as they are on a charge-back monitoring program they will probably experience a penalty of about $1000 - $5000 a month. It gets even better
If the scammers/fraudsters fail to control the number of charge-backs they receive, then Visa and Mastercard will automatically close the merchant's account forever and they cannot ever open an account in that ever again. Hence why the notorious company "Vortex Asssets" (which was part of that network) no longer exists because they had their bank accounts closed for experiencing a substantial number of charge-backs
Have you heard of "Vortex Assets"? I really suggest you gather as much information about these guys as possible so that you know what you are up against. These are world-wide scammers have been scamming people for the past decade (stealing millions of pounds sterling/GBP). This goes to show you how professional they are at stealing.
Hence why, this network opened up different "websites" and "companies" in different names to relieve the pressure of charge-backs that they experience. Yes, a dirty trick. However, once you discover this scattered information and piece everything together, then everything becomes crystal clear. So yes do charge-backs because each one will ruin these snakes and they may even get their accounts closed for good, to never harm anyone again
Just remember that charge-backs are designed to favour us and not the fraudsters By the way, how many people do you know have been affected by this network?
I do apologise for the huge length of this post. However, I am hoping that the information I have provided on here will serve a useful purposes to help many others who have been victims from the same network of wrongful doing.
Have a good evening all
Right okay, your situation is slightly complex (but fortunately not as complex as mine). However, I sense that you may lack crucial evidence against these criminals. By the way, what was the name of the person you spoke to? Was it "Lara Mancini" (the tyrant) or "Stefano Di Luca" (the snake)?
Here is what I suggest you do:
1) Go to the CNMV and get evidence from they that they were unable to warn you to avoid this broker (a simple email will do the trick). By the way, how did you get in touch with this broker? Let me guess was it 'cold-calling' (because that is what these criminals love doing) or were they recommended to you by a friend?
2) You need a record of everything to save you. You must look through your phone history, trading history, MT5 platform, email etc and determine how many withdrawals you requested - You must include this as evidence in a document that you will submit to your bank for processing.
3) You need to fill out the withdrawal form for at least 3 occasions (and get email confirmation this has been received). This will prove to the bank that they have failed to provide the services they should have given. I would say do a new withdrawal form at 5-7 days apart and screenshot EVERYTHING (the more evidence the better for every case). These liars claim that a withdrawal takes 24-72 hours (which I recorded and uploaded onto the internet). By the way, I also recorded that (according to "Stefano Di Luca") those "card verification documents" are for "withdrawal". This is excellent evidence to provide for your bank (I suggest you watch this video, note down anything you think is important and include that link into your paperwork for the bank)
***** If the bank tries to be unreasonable saying that you might have fabricated this. Simply tell this individual that the number of the caller was presented several times during that video (which shows an Italian number, while I am based in UK/Spain etc). So don't tell me that this is fabricated. You need to be blunt (but NOT rude) when dealing with bank employees. If you have a helpful bank employee, breathe a sigh of relief because your life will get much easier.
4) Okay then, maybe you can use the video I have uploaded onto the internet as evidence against these fraudsters. However, be bear in mind that these criminals may have recorded their phone calls with you. If they call you and ask you to tell them the number that they are calling from. Do NOT tell them! Just hang up (as they will record you and use that as evidence against you, to the bank - which is absolutely revolting to say the least).
By the way, did they use different phone numbers when they called you? With me and my friends they had the nasty habit of changing their phone numbers every month or so (which clearly suggests their illegal activities).
5) Not a lot I can say here. If they operated the account for you that would have put you at greater advantage. For anyone who is reading this (and had their account operated by these criminals) just make sure you get evidence of that. This can be a skype chat, text message, email, a recorded phone conversation - Anything really, but please make sure you get it. Luckily for me "Lara Mancini" said on a skype chat "Look at the profit I have made on your account" - Music to my ears
6) Yes, close your account(s) associated with these transactions now. The technology that these cyber-criminals possess is shockingly sophisticated. They will draw money up to 10 years after you have finished dealing with them (that happened to a few of my friends despite taking measures to prevent this. The real issue was not closing his account, so please make sure you do and quickly). Just go and tell your bank: "Hello, I feel that I have had a breach in my account security, can I please close this account and open another one? Will my account number, sort code, IBAN, BIC/Swift be the same or change?" Make sure that the account number, sort code etc is different from the old account before proceeding. However, you need to make sure that you have your case ready with your mountain of evidence against this scamming network before you cancel your account.
TIP - You need to be very organised when dealing with the bank, otherwise it will go horribly wrong.
7) Okay, each time you call a specific organisation (in your case the national police etc) they will generate a number that is unique to you and your case. You need to go back to these organisations and request this number from them (by law they must give it to you upon request, but you need to ask for it). This information is crucial for banks so it must be provided in the document you will provide to your bank. What is likely to happen in your case, is that you will need to start from scratch and explain everything again. They will then generate a new reference number for you. (Please see "IMPORTANT")
IMPORTANT - Make sure that you ask the person you are talking to for:
A) Their name (and employee number if they can provide it; not all of them will be able to provide this, but it is worth asking for)
B) The reference number for this call
Make sure you note down this information. I cannot stress this enough.
Yes, you can make things very difficult for these scammers and I'll explain why. However, did you look at the link I provided to you in the previous post (as it kinds of explains this already)?
Currently this network has most (if not all of its bank accounts) on a "charge-back monitoring program". This arises when a merchant or scammers experiences a large volume of charge-backs. Which is hardly surprising given the fact that many people later cotton-onto the fact that these are fraudsters and scammers. Hence why they go to thee bank and ask for their money back - that is under the terms "Goods and Services not provided". With each charge-back you do (and the bank accepts it - the banks will not always accept it, so you need a good set of evidence to support you case and where you stand) the merchant will experience a penalty. This can vary between $10 - $100 per charge-back. However, as they are on a charge-back monitoring program they will probably experience a penalty of about $1000 - $5000 a month. It gets even better
If the scammers/fraudsters fail to control the number of charge-backs they receive, then Visa and Mastercard will automatically close the merchant's account forever and they cannot ever open an account in that ever again. Hence why the notorious company "Vortex Asssets" (which was part of that network) no longer exists because they had their bank accounts closed for experiencing a substantial number of charge-backs
Have you heard of "Vortex Assets"? I really suggest you gather as much information about these guys as possible so that you know what you are up against. These are world-wide scammers have been scamming people for the past decade (stealing millions of pounds sterling/GBP). This goes to show you how professional they are at stealing.
Hence why, this network opened up different "websites" and "companies" in different names to relieve the pressure of charge-backs that they experience. Yes, a dirty trick. However, once you discover this scattered information and piece everything together, then everything becomes crystal clear. So yes do charge-backs because each one will ruin these snakes and they may even get their accounts closed for good, to never harm anyone again
By the way, how many people do you know have been affected by this network?
I do apologise for the huge length of this post. However, I am hoping that the information I have provided on here will serve a useful purposes to help many others who have been victims from the same network of wrongful doing.
Have a good evening all
Thank you very much. Don't worry about the length of the post, I appreciate each word. I'm going to proceed to report everithing to my bank.
Could you please post the URLs of the videos you mentioned?
Btw, good news, at least the CNMV make an official alert about InvestMib, it was posted yesterday.
I will inform you about my bank response.
Thak you again for all the help.
That is great
At the end of the 'Forex Peace Army' (FPA) is an international community of traders who are here to support each other and provide constructive comments and feedback. That is really what we are here for. Another thing, to bear in mind is that this prevents other people from ever having to experience the same atrocities we have been through. The more we can alert others and harm the online reputations of these criminals (who think it is an 'okay thing' to steal thousands of pounds) the better Yes, the link is here:
I suggest you watch the video in its entirety and note down bits that will apply to your case. There is a lot of useful and important information packed in this video that will be useful. I can understand that watching a 53 minute video might seem time consuming. However, for everyone please understand it has taken me a lot of time and effort to:
1) Arrange this call (with "Stefano Di Luca" if that is even his real name - which explains why people like to put the 'names' of these liars in quotation marks, because we can't trust them for one sorry second)
2) Create this video
3) Upload it unto YouTube
I uploaded this video onto YouTube with the purpose that people may find this in order to make their lives easier and use it as evidence against these criminals.
By the way, did you know that a lot of Russian traders have been targeted by this network? It clearly indicates that the people running this network are of Russian origin, but have learnt to speak Italian, Spanish, English etc (quite poorly actually). Simply search: "tradesprime отзывы" on google and translate all those pages and you will see what I am talking about. It is pathetic to say the least. By the way "отзывы" is Russian for 'reviews'.
Yes, please do update me and post it unto here. People on the internet must know what is going on with these criminals. Because the general consensus is that any money that goes in there... You will never see it again...
Shockingly, despite the large number of people who have been adversely affected by the acts of these criminals, there are remarkably few posts and reviews about this scam network (all of the "websites", "brokers" and "companies" are all run and operated by the SAME people to relieve charge-back and legal pressure):
1) Tradesprime
2) Umarkets
3) InvestMIb
4) Vortex Assets (there are still some reviews about this criminals despite the fact they no longer exist).
This is a cause of concern as this allows these criminals to target more people who are blissfully unaware of this scam and fraud. It seems that many traders are too embarrassed to share their experiences about this network.
==========================> If this applies to you, then please post your experience here or elsewhere. No one is going to laugh or mock you (quite the opposite will occur actually). This happens to many traders regularly so it is nothing to be ashamed of. You will also look a lot more favourable considering that you had bothered to take the time to warn and help others about this ongoing crime.
Many thanks for all your time, understanding and patience. Together we will defeat these snakes and stamp them out, once and for all
That is great
Yes, the link is here:
I suggest you watch the video in its entirety and note down bits that will apply to your case. There is a lot of useful and important information packed in this video that will be useful. I can understand that watching a 53 minute video might seem time consuming. However, for everyone please understand it has taken me a lot of time and effort to:
1) Arrange this call (with "Stefano Di Luca" if that is even his real name - which explains why people like to put the 'names' of these liars in quotation marks, because we can't trust them for one sorry second)
2) Create this video
3) Upload it unto YouTube
I uploaded this video onto YouTube with the purpose that people may find this in order to make their lives easier and use it as evidence against these criminals.
By the way, did you know that a lot of Russian traders have been targeted by this network? It clearly indicates that the people running this network are of Russian origin, but have learnt to speak Italian, Spanish, English etc (quite poorly actually). Simply search: "tradesprime отзывы" on google and translate all those pages and you will see what I am talking about. It is pathetic to say the least. By the way "отзывы" is Russian for 'reviews'.
Yes, please do update me and post it unto here. People on the internet must know what is going on with these criminals. Because the general consensus is that any money that goes in there... You will never see it again...
Shockingly, despite the large number of people who have been adversely affected by the acts of these criminals, there are remarkably few posts and reviews about this scam network (all of the "websites", "brokers" and "companies" are all run and operated by the SAME people to relieve charge-back and legal pressure):
1) Tradesprime
2) Umarkets
3) InvestMIb
4) Vortex Assets (there are still some reviews about this criminals despite the fact they no longer exist).
This is a cause of concern as this allows these criminals to target more people who are blissfully unaware of this scam and fraud. It seems that many traders are too embarrassed to share their experiences about this network.
==========================> If this applies to you, then please post your experience here or elsewhere. No one is going to laugh or mock you (quite the opposite will occur actually). This happens to many traders regularly so it is nothing to be ashamed of. You will also look a lot more favourable considering that you had bothered to take the time to warn and help others about this ongoing crime.
Many thanks for all your time, understanding and patience. Together we will defeat these snakes and stamp them out, once and for all
I'm already in touch with my bank. I'm waiting they revise all the info I sent them.
The video is great, it shows the class of people they are. They can respond each question inventing a lie in few seconds, they seem really scam professionals. I don´t know how you could stay so cold all the conversation, that was a really great job (although in some parts I cannot undestand what Stephano says due to the combination of bad sound and the difficulties of not being english-speaking).
The man who contacted me, 'Joaquin' was from south america, but my broker 'Mia Rivera' was from Russia for sure, she had a clear Russian accent.
I cannot undestand yet how they could achieve 40% return or more. Just luck? I was speacking with a guy that puts 11,000€ and had in his account around 26,000€ that´s more than 130% return.
I suppose they are silly things to worry about in that moment, but it still being curious for me.
The important thing now is to stop that people and I know it is possible, on april there had been more than 100 arrested people in Spain in a police operation against people working for a company like this, I hope they have the same future. It was possible thaks to people reporting it. I know it is not easy for many people to report due to our profiles (the scammed), since usually we all have higher studies and some knowledge about finance and it is not easy to publictly report and recognize you have been scammed, but it is necesary to prevent other people to fall in the same situation.
You know what would be funny? If this "joaquin" is "Stefano Di Luca" and this "Mia Rivera" is "Lara Mancini" - These liars are proficient at changing their names and the names of the criminal companies they operate: How pathetic... I have attached "Lara Mancini's" Skype profile if anyone is currently investigating these thieves.
Glad you found the video useful
Normally, I do not like listening to the sound of my own voice or having to keep calling people "mate" or repeat myself, but it was the only way to get the information that I needed (and get it on camera) Did you manage to hear the part about the "card verification documents"? E.g. that these "card verification documents" are for "withdrawal". Did you hear that part? Because that will be very useful in your (and anyone else's case)
Yes, when the bank contacts you then please post up the outcome for all to see. This can understandably takes weeks, if not months (so I am not expecting this to end anytime soon). However, when you do get an update, then please keep us posted
Best of Luck
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Terribly sorry, but I cannot find the link for the Trader's Court Case that you have filed for.
Please could you post the link on this thread so that everyone can have access to it?
Many thanks in advance
ATTENTION TO ALL!
Be very careful when you expose the following companies as scams:
1) InvestMib
2) Tradesprime
3) Vortex Assets
4) Umarketsw
5) FXTrade777 (I just discovered that this company is also a scam and linked to the same scam network)
Please Note - I have just discovered another 'broker' or 'company' that is also linked to the same scam operation run by the same people (which is FXTrader777). I wonder how many more I will find? I will update this list and let you know accordingly
These are professional criminals who steal for a living. These criminals will become very threatening and abusive when you expose them. So please make sure that you are on your guard and play 'wisely'. We need to be smart about this. I have taken a screenshot of one particular conversation (by a colleague who was dealing with a member from InvestMib on Facebook) to prove what I am saying.
Please do not let this put your off from exposing these criminals. They are all bark and no bite. They are merely destroying what is left of their appalling reputation anyway
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