Pupung Widiya Purnama, dewakripsi.com is a scammer, beware from his scam exchanger and other service

[seven_razor]

Sorry looks like you get it wrong. As I mentioned before. As a forex traders we only looking for a place to trade. A company who will provide best service and good customer service. However after seeing your post here, it's too rude as forex representative. Don't you see it by yourself too?

Again, as forex trader we will need to find out a company with good reputation. So if possible then just make us believe if he is scammer (I don't even know if he is an IB before). If you still can't give any proof then what's the point of this thread? Perhaps he don't even read this thread.

I don't do any action to defend him (or his friend) but I found a few of weird things here, so that's why I create that post. It's your job to answer the question politely as company representative isn't it? You get paid to do that. I'm pretty sure if you are not get paid to yelling the traders and tell them 'poor trader' or any bad things like that.

I spend many years in this business but you are the rude one. Perhaps Octafx really get the award for customer service but it's not for you. I just hope if you can learn from this. You are carrying OctaFx name here..

Anything wrong with my post? Btw I still waiting for the proof so anyone here know who is right and who is wrong. Without a proof then the condition will be same and I will let the traders from Europe and Asia know this. But if it clear then you win this case and at least we know if pupung guilty. You are the one who start this thread, so just finish it with proof. Without an empty talk like what you did before.

Regarding the awards,,, well, no comments. Feel free to contact the agencies who awarded us for the "proof".

You know, even if we ignore cheap liar gembuz and his friend haha-LOL-vanov and talk in details, the proof you want would normally look somewhat like that:

1. An access to Pupung's account (already banned, but anyway) to see that he actually received IB commission from his own accounts.
2. An access to all the 20 accounts with fake identities to see their trading
3. An access to Pupung's account again to see that all the 24k were withdrawn into his bank account

Apart from security issues, do you really think anyone will go that deep? It's way easier to yell scam and get salary from the scammer, like our friends do. I just don't understand it. If you hate brokers so much, why would you deal with them and trade anyway? Get a better income source. I can't think of any other reasons of being so aggressive other than the fact that they are being paid for it.

We built the company to provide services to the customers. Best services possible. We have built it, we have a name, a reputation and a policy. Cheap liar gembuz and his friend haha-LOL-vanov built nothing and never will, because they are incapable of doing anything except (paid?) comments on a forum. Is it envy that makes them so aggressive? If you know so well how a broker must operate - go create your own! Or trade with brokers which comply with your idea of a perfect brokerage. Why instead of it you will attack us and defend a thief? I just can't get it. You can see a 1 pip slippage in the video - is that really an excuse for stealing money from us? Now that is what I call perfect logic.

It's not a normal conversation and you can see it yourself. I answer questions, I provide details and data and what do I get? Haha, LOL, it's fake, LOL scam broker. What sense does it make to prove something to people acting and talking like that?

 

[vanov]

Lies. Check forexfactory again.

Ok, LOL, haha, LOL and everything else. I hope if I speak your "language" you understand it better.

1. ICM is a WL from Etoro, it's kinda natural for them to show their LP and WL provider. We are an independent company. LOL, haha.
2. Sure. Want to know how to steal money from the company and repeat it? Ok. You open an IB account. Then you open several real accounts yourself with fake identities. Trade in these accounts yourself. Generate IB commission. Withdraw it. Then get caught and go to FB/Youtube/FPA and yell "broker that I stole money from is so scaaaaaam". Repeat. Go ahead. LOL, haha.
3. It is slippage. Order is opened at a different price than requested. Either positive or negative. LOL, haha.

Does it make any sense to you now, LOL, haha?

Make a sense for sure. You need almost one year to paid someone profit, "Independent" means don't tell your liquidity provider. Slippage in Octafx are horrible, and IB Commission are illegal. Thanks for your explanation... Let FPA traders judge who is right

I'm not on pupung side nor your side. I'm Independent! HAHA... LOL.. Everthing is clear, bye

 

[Master Yoda]

if you dont know about our cultures,about Indonesian cultures , please do not make any non sense statement
.

What's between culture and forex/ monetary activity? As I understand it's not even a forex trading but abusive introducing activity.

If you read Forbes you will see that Indonesia has 18% of the worldwide CC fraud activity. I don't think it's a cultural thing.

Because of people like you, I am wasting my time helping innocent people who have really been scammed by real scam brokers. As I said before, I am with OctaFX here.

 

[njamur]

Still waiting for the proof so anyone here know who is right and who is wrong. there's a rude Customer service, who can't speak politely. it's ridicolous when you start thread and do not proof anything and just say scamm scamm scamm ...... horrible.

 

[bangcool]

So, what was the conclusion? Anyone have a proof that pupung do SCAM action in octafx? From octafx representative answer he is really sure that pupung SCAM them. I think it is not hard for him to show pupung bad action with one picture. If octafx can't proof it, then, everyone can see which one say the truth and fake story.

 

[seven_razor]

What's between culture and forex/ monetary activity? As I understand it's not even a forex trading but abusive introducing activity.

If you read Forbes you will see that Indonesia has 18% of the worldwide CC fraud activity. I don't think it's a cultural thing.

Because of people like you, I am wasting my time helping innocent people who have really been scammed by real scam brokers. As I said before, I am with OctaFX here.

Do you mean this one? Yeah it's not a cultural thing.

Countries With The Most Card Fraud: U.S. And Mexico - Forbes

Mexico 44%
US 42%
India 37%
UAE 36%
China 36%
UK 34%
Brazil 33%
Australia 31%
Singapore 26%
South Africa 25%
Canada 25%
Italy 24%
France 20%
Indonesia 18%
Germany 13%
Netherlands 12%
Sweden 12%

Even big country like US have big problem about credit card, they have 42% lol..

UK, Brazil, Canada, Italy. France, and Australia still bigger than Indonesia. It will be better if you read the whole article again in forbes. Btw from which country you are?

I don't know what's your point to post like that, but it will be better if you put the link source too. After reading the real facts from the real source looks like Indonesia still better than any other big countries in credit card fraud issues.

No wonder why you support octafx lol.. --> only smart people who knows about what I mean..

 

[thecrasher]

for those who still support pupung for this case i think you should think more wisely. in his group he clearly admit that he opened a lot account under his own IB and trade that account himself to generate a lot IB commission. here's the proof


he said all those thing with no regret and don't feel that what he has been doing was bad and againts octafx rule. instead of say sorry or admit he was wrong, he prefer to say that octa was scam because busted him abuse IB commision with those stupid and greedy method.

 

[gembuz]

for those who still support pupung for this case i think you should think more wisely. in his group he clearly admit that he opened a lot account under his own IB and trade that account himself to generate a lot IB commission. here's the proof
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he said all those thing with no regret and don't feel that what he has been doing was bad and againts octafx rule. instead of say sorry or admit he was wrong, he prefer to say that octa was scam because busted him abuse IB commision with those stupid and greedy method.

Don't be so naive, many affiliates od IBs use their link to trade their money or their clients money (managed) just for your information even some brokers tell IB to register under his own affiliate or link, if you don't believe me contact some brokers, they will be happy to pay your commission as IB because you promote their broker so that their Brand will become more popular and more people aware of it, yes it's true that each broker has its own policy and not all the same

The case here is illogical, a broker (OctaFx) shouts out from nowhere, suddenly came out with a thread in FPA judging its client/pupung (IB) SCAM from the beginning without explaining the chronological order of the case and directly convicted its client/pupung SCAM

If OctaFx a wise broker, it will personally contact pupung, from the beginning that he broke the rules and should stop his activity, and everything will be ok, and OctaFx can continue its business smoothly

This case pop up, when pupung(OctaFx IB) could generate much money from his trading activities. It would be different if pupung only generated pennies or cent or few bucks from his trading activities, octafx would keep silent and just ignore it and still tolerate his pennies or cent commission

Then OctaFx claimed that pupung STOLE money from OctaFx, HOW COME? pupung made deposit using his own money and risked his own money. If OctaFx doesn't like IB to generate lot of commission, why you should recruit IBs and why did you exist in the FOREX world?

This case would not be like this if OctaFx from the beginning, take a smart action and wise action, contacting its IB personally or even banned / block his account from the beginning, not now when his IB (pupung) brought hundreds or even thousands of clients to OctaFx

Shame on you OctaFx, you got many clients from IBs and now you dumped your IB and even convicted SCAM without any clear explanation and proof, and shouted out loud in FPA and displaying a person photograph (pupung) on the first page like a criminal

It's a stupid act by OctaFx, fighting against a client for IB commission** , SHAME ON YOU !!! Really really stupid, i can't believe it


** 24K IB commission, ----- and how much OctaFx got profit from it?
(A forex broker could generate million of dollar from clients trading activities)

 

[thecrasher]

Don't be so naive, many affiliates od IBs use their link to trade their money or their clients money (managed) just for your information even some brokers tell IB to register under his own affiliate or link, if you don't believe me contact some brokers, they will be happy to pay your commission as IB because you promote their broker so that their Brand will become more popular and more people aware of it, yes it's true that each broker has its own policy and not all the same

The case here is illogical, a broker (OctaFx) shouts out from nowhere, suddenly came out with a thread in FPA judging its client/pupung (IB) SCAM from the beginning without explaining the chronological order of the case and directly convicted its client/pupung SCAM

If OctaFx a wise broker, it will personally contact pupung, from the beginning that he broke the rules and should stop his activity, and everything will be ok, and OctaFx can continue its business smoothly

This case pop up, when pupung(OctaFx IB) could generate much money from his trading activities. It would be different if pupung only generated pennies or cent or few bucks from his trading activities, octafx would keep silent and just ignore it and still tolerate his pennies or cent commission

Then OctaFx claimed that pupung STOLE money from OctaFx, HOW COME? pupung made deposit using his own money and risked his own money. If OctaFx doesn't like IB to generate lot of commission, why you should recruit IBs and why did you exist in the FOREX world?

This case would not be like this if OctaFx from the beginning, take a smart action and wise action, contacting its IB personally or even banned / block his account from the beginning, not now when his IB (pupung) brought hundreds or even thousands of clients to OctaFx

Shame on you OctaFx, you got many clients from IBs and now you dumped your IB and even convicted SCAM without any clear explanation and proof, and shouted out loud in FPA and displaying a person photograph (pupung) on the first page like a criminal

It's a stupid act by OctaFx, fighting against a client for IB commission** , SHAME ON YOU !!! Really really stupid, i can't believe it


** 24K IB commission, ----- and how much OctaFx got profit from it?
(A forex broker could generate million of dollar from clients trading activities)

thanks for your info, i''ve never done such method ( managed another account under my own ib ) because for me my primary income only from trading my own account, IB commision just like bonus for me, never care so much about it. but like you said that any broker had different rule, and everyone in it should follow it no matter what. and in this case pupung was break the rule. that's the fact and he didn't admit it ( shame on him)

for the chronologilal order of this case, i don't know for sure but i'm sure octafx confrontation begin after pupung claim that octafx was scam and make video of it in his group.( and become his blunder because of those video he show it clearly that he opened several account under his IB ) after that octafx facebook fans page begin to talk about this case. so octafx didn't suddenly came out to make this thread but it started first with pupung with his claim in his facebook group. CMIIW

the purpose of IB commision itself is for gratitude from broker for make some client into . but when someone want commision but didn't make real client and just make another account just for generate commision it was wrong act for me.

FYI pupung already generated $100k for his IB commision and had been paid. and i think another $24k is just for IB commision that he generated himself with another account ( octafx condsidered this as "stolen money" or illegal commision). i saw greedy play the role here, maybe he think with just real client transaction itself he could got $100k and he could get more if created another account and generated commision for himself. and he was busted. end of story. the story will be different if he realize his mistake and return those "illegal" commission because in fact he could generate more than $24k if he don't do this.

so i think is not about amount of money octafx talkabout but it's all about rule breaking and punishment.

 

[gembuz]

thanks for your info, i''ve never done such method ( managed another account under my own ib ) because for me my primary income only from trading my own account, IB commision just like bonus for me, never care so much about it. but like you said that any broker had different rule, and everyone in it should follow it no matter what. and in this case pupung was break the rule. that's the fact and he didn't admit it ( shame on him)

for the chronologilal order of this case, i don't know for sure but i'm sure octafx confrontation begin after pupung claim that octafx was scam and make video of it in his group.( and become his blunder because of those video he show it clearly that he opened several account under his IB ) after that octafx facebook fans page begin to talk about this case. so octafx didn't suddenly came out to make this thread but it started first with pupung with his claim in his facebook group. CMIIW

the purpose of IB commision itself is for gratitude from broker for make some client into . but when someone want commision but didn't make real client and just make another account just for generate commision it was wrong act for me.

FYI pupung already generated $100k for his IB commision and had been paid. and i think another $24k is just for IB commision that he generated himself with another account ( octafx condsidered this as "stolen money" or illegal commision). i saw greedy play the role here, maybe he think with just real client transaction itself he could got $100k and he could get more if created another account and generated commision for himself. and he was busted. end of story. the story will be different if he realize his mistake and return those "illegal" commission because in fact he could generate more than $24k if he don't do this.

so i think is not about amount of money octafx talkabout but it's all about rule breaking and punishment.

Ok, your argument makes sense and you are correct each broker has its own policy

But in this case, the way octafx treated this case is not wise and really irritating. I believe OctaFx's affiliate system can detect pupung activity from the beginning, but why OctaFx doesn't make any anticipation, warns him or even bans or blocks his account from the beginning of rule breaking?

From your information pupung could generate 100K from his affiliate activities, so i assumes that OctaFx get much more profit from that, because normally a broker will share 20 to 50% of thier commission to affiiates or IB, imagine if it is 25%, pupung generated $400K for octa and pupung got 25% from it, so if you say GREED plays role here, so who is greedy? OctaFx or pupung?

Beside that i read from another post he could bring so many clients to OctaFx, so i think OctaFx should thank him from his hard work promoting OctaFx and not offended him here. If he broke the rule octa should warn him from the beginning professionally, contacting pupung via email and warns him or even block his account and terminate pupung affiliate/IB account. And the problem will not go wild like this.

So i think, it is not about rule breaking or punishment, it is about "How a broker solves problems professionally and how a broker professionally and wisely treating its clients". Imagine if OctaFx has no client, OctaFx will go broke, go out of business. Who make OCtaFx big? Clients; Who generate money for OctaFx? Clients; Who are OctaFx partners? Clients; Who can make OctaFx business run well? Clients. So treating clients professionally and in a decent or elegant want, will be more wise for OctaFx. Treating clients like in this thread will be bad for OctaFx reputation, because OctaFx disrespect clients.

Hopefully pupung can post here and tell us what is it all about? Does he really "only" generated commission from his relatives accounts, or the commission is also his clients commission too?


My personal opinion to OctaFx (as octafx client too): After following this case, OctaFx is not a good place for long term business