#### CuriousKate

##### Recruit
Pharaoh, with regards to your calculation about how long it will take before MTI should own all bitcoin available in 40 months.
What they tell investors, is that they will spread out the investments into gold or other crypto etc. ie, their story is that they wont just earn in bitcoin forever.

If/when this scam is finally exposed, they will get the award for the best thought out scam in history. They Masterfully covered all their bases in terms of doing things differently this time than what went wrong in their previous schemes.

When I watch videos of Johann & Cheri, I still have a bit of doubt even though the facts show me otherwise, they are that good.

#### Pharaoh

##### Colonel
Kate,

For the organization as a whole, that can't be predicted, because we don't know from any one month to the next how much new money will come in and how much old money will go out. Still, I love the question. Online sources tell me that there are currently 18,503,862 BTC in existence with about 900 new ones per day (this will go down over time, but I'll stick to 900/day so I don't have to look up all the rule on halving the production rate).

But, if we make a couple simple assumptions about an individual investor who makes one deposit and never withdraws until all the current BTC are claimed, the math isn't too hard.

Assume someone places 10 BTC (note that MTI claims to be trading far more BTC, so would get there sooner) and gains 10% per month. Daily compounding will yield slightly higher results, but monthly is simpler.

After 12 months, our future owner of all BTC has 10*(1.1^12) = a little 31.38 BTC in total. This isn't going well. His whole year only netted him 21 new coins and 900 were produced in a day. He now owns 0.But, he's patient.

After 5 years, he has 10*(1.1^60) = over 3044 BTC. So sad, since the world generated 9000 in the last 10 days. But, he's knows that compounded gains are how a single snowflake becomes an avalanche.

Is it possible he can ever even catch up to daily production? (365*900 = 328,500 new BTC per year)

After 10 years, he has 10*(1.1^120) = over 927,090 BTC. That's 2.89 years of total production and is 4.25% of all BTC in circulation that year, but it took him 10 years to get it. In that 10 years, (let's ignore leap years), the world began with 18,503,862 BTC and gained another 3,285,000 BTC Should he give up, or should he realize that good things come to those who wait? He decides to wait, but realizes he doesn't need 5 more years (and I realize a spreadsheet will be simpler than doing each year's calculation. )

In 12 years, he ends up with 40% of all BTC in circulation. By the end of year 13, he's exceeded the total number of BTC by over 25%.

And, since I've got a spreadsheet, if he'd started with 1 BTC, he'd have hit 100% of all BTC sometime in year 15.

So, I have to admit that I was wrong. Due to the fact that no government can produce unlimited BTC (unlike the trillions of dollars and I have no clue how many Euros and British Pounds were extrapolated out of thin air, all to bolster economies during this year's viral insanity), any form of fixed rate return on a limited grow currency will definitely crash against the wall of "you own ALL if it" in a very short time.

But, on the flip side, as long as the rate of return is fake and more new money comes in than goes out, because no real trading is taking place, our investor could stay in and watch his BTC holdings go up into the Trillions of BTC. It just would all be fake.

In the real world, cash limits effect all HYIPS and Ponzis. \$10 trillion or so in worldwide Corona virus aid can be arranged by governments, but some "Super Ultra Hedged Triple Back Flip With A Cherry On Top" Artificial Intelligence trading system on forex cannot actually make trillions of dollars. If it was real, as it grew bigger each new trade would shake the world's markets harder and harder. Governments aren't going to print money to make that happen. Many Ponzi schemes and HYIPs I've looked at should have already been trading hundreds of billions if their own creators had started out with even \$1 when they claim the system first came online.

#### arex2407

##### Recruit
Good afternoon, I hope you are well ... I am trying to gather as much information as possible about this "company" and summarize it all, so to speak ... Could someone help me to know a few things?

1. Why is the domain of the page registered at the end of 2019 and not in April or before that same year?
2. Could someone show me an interview with Johann in which instead of responding to the accusations, he says that this is a plot against the "company"?
3. If someone has a list of all the official statements, could you pass it to me? Thank you very much.

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#### arex2407

##### Recruit
Y ahora fui a ver las respuestas oficiales que mti ha dado en su página, pero no las encuentro.

#### thePridge

##### Private
Good afternoon, I hope you are well ... I am trying to gather as much information as possible about this "company" and summarize it all, so to speak ... Could someone help me to know a few things?

1. Why is the domain of the page registered at the end of 2019 and not in April or before that same year?
2. Could someone show me an interview with Johann in which instead of responding to the accusations, he says that this is a plot against the "company"?
3. If someone has a list of all the official statements, could you pass it to me? Thank you very much.

They apparently were first doing it manually or something and they later got the backend. They also seemed to have changed domains a few times and various affiliates have been creating their own "MTI" sites.

Go search for "mti mybroadband" you'll find a LONG (over 400 pages) discussion with a LOT of information, including a wiki that is being built.

#### ponzitivity

##### Recruit
Just to let you know there is a wiki covering MTI that should help investors, journalist and law enforcement investigate the people and the schemes they run.

You can see this community driven wiki at https://dishonest.co.za

#### Trimera

##### Private
Hot off the presses,FSCA has started raiding and confiscating electronics for the execs. Cheri is furious,but certain everything is still perfectly fine since being raided is an everyday occurrence

#### Trimera

##### Private
@George A. some more possible incorrect info has cropped up in MTI's disinformation campaign you might want to have a look/listen to
voca.ro/14b1FRLC0cMA

#### Jolom

##### Recruit
Going,going,gone.....within 2 months at most

#### stevestray13

##### Recruit
I am glad I found this thread. Thanks to everyone who did some solid investigative work here. So I am currently an investor in MTI. I am actually also based in South Africa. I have a close friend who works for a company called Orbvest in Cape Town. His boss knows Johann personally and has only good things to say about him (Obviously doesnt prove its not a scam).

I do have my doubts simply because it seems too good to be true. I signed up on 3 September with 0.083 BTC, I am now at 0.122 btc. Pretty happy with that. My plan is to withdraw my intitial investment and buy Kruger Rands with it, and leave the rest in there. That way if it goes balls up at least I got my investment out.

I guess it comes down to whether or not a trading AI can actually be this accurate? I have had a close look at the trade reports as I am sure all of you have as well. The "bot" makes a lot of negative trades, but manages to somehow end postive on the day. I have heard there have been some negative trading days in the past. So for this to be scam those trade reports obviously have to be completely fakes right? They would need a bot to sort of populate the fake trades at the correct prices and correct times?

Lets assume for a second its not a scam, just hypothetically. Wouldn't every person who has ever been involved in a ponzi scheme be jumping on board? I mean wouldn't that be the dream? My point being there would of course be some deplorables on every thread trying to promote MTI.

Further, if this wasn't a scam, how would the "powers that be" feel about it? Without getting too tinfoil hat on everyone, isn't BTC seen as a big F YOU to the FIAT world?

Again for me it simply comes down to whether or not the bot can trade this accurately.
Anyway, hopefully I don't get attacked for having this view! And again thanks to all the deep diving investigators.

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