GlobalPrime is a dishonest scam broker too. Please don't fall into their trap.

umpar

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You were previously saying that when a client executes a trade, it goes from Globalprime to Gleneagle Securities, then from Gleneagle to Vidarr? It does not look that way from this screenshot either.

In your previous post you said the trade is executed using 'Skout', but now you're saying there is one more party involved in between, and it's PrimeXM? At which part of the entire equation does PrimeXM come in?


Is this PrimeXM the external software that gives you the ability to interfere with your customer's trade?

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The "client" that this screenshot is referring to is the Broker, who is the client of PrimeXM. So PrimeXM are providing white label license, software that simplifies the process of B-Booking or Book management in general, and also allowing brokers to change between different execution models easily and seamlessly just by changing the setting.




That would be good. On top of that, I would also like to request that you to provide the tick and spread data for the US30 and XTIUSD from different liquidity providers like CFH and CMC from the period of July 2020 to March 2021 to reference if Vidarr really have the best pricing as you have claimed. Or that all trades were executed with Vidarr because of its affiliation with Globalprime FX, and all other LPs with better pricing were excluded from the order book because it benefits Globalprime more that way.
Care to respond to this @jemook ? These are some excellent questions and the evidence presented will finally put to rest the claim that Globalprime is not a ECN. Why are there so many middlemen involved at every step? To quote @Shiro21

"In your previous post you said the trade is executed using 'Skout', but now you're saying there is one more party involved in between, and it's PrimeXM? At which part of the entire equation does PrimeXM come in?"

So now there is primeXM who is the aggregator for all client trades and connects clients to your liquidity providers. Isnt this what the skout software does? Why do you need another external software to mirror the role of the FIX engine?

Do you have the tick and spread data? Curious about that as well.
 

jemook

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Care to respond to this @jemook ? These are some excellent questions and the evidence presented will finally put to rest the claim that Globalprime is not a ECN. Why are there so many middlemen involved at every step? To quote @Shiro21

"In your previous post you said the trade is executed using 'Skout', but now you're saying there is one more party involved in between, and it's PrimeXM? At which part of the entire equation does PrimeXM come in?"

So now there is primeXM who is the aggregator for all client trades and connects clients to your liquidity providers. Isnt this what the skout software does? Why do you need another external software to mirror the role of the FIX engine?

Do you have the tick and spread data? Curious about that as well.

Heya umpar,

The evidence we already posted shows that we fit the retail definition of ECN. The following posts explain most of what you are asking about.

1. On Vidarr, Global Prime & Gleneagle Relationship and our A-book Model
2. Addressing main concerns, How we make money, Global Prime as an ECN broker
3. Educating on trading as principal and the legal relationships of LPs, brokers and clients
4. Further clarification of legal terms, where we disclose about ECN and Non-ECN products
5. Our Trade Flow Process explained in simple steps and how Batch Hedging works

PrimeXM

Every MT4 broker must use a bridge/aggregator technology stack to connect their liquidity to MT4. The big players are PrimeXM and OneZero. Yes, these technology platforms do give the ability to choose to b-book which is what most brokers do.

We don't b-book or profit from client losses, which is why we've chosen to call ourselves ECN while every broker has removed their use of the term ECN, some with notices from ASIC about it.

Skout

Skout is our FIX engine and has already been explained (click here). We use it for batch hedging small tickets to save from exorbitant small ticket fee's at the Prime Broker.

Skout is NOT used for CFDs so the XTIUSD and US30 trades @Shiro21 is talking about are executed with liquidity provider Vidarr through the PrimeXM bridge/aggregator.

Tick / spread data

As has also been explained other LPs are excluded from the order book for the XTIUSD and US30 CFDs since their prices cannot be aggregated with Vidarr due to:

1. Prices being different as per the table below which has already been posted
2. There is no central counterparty to clear the trades

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In an earlier post he said that Vidarr has the widest spread as seen in the table above, however, the spreads from CFH and CMC are raw and we make no money on them. The Vidarr spread includes mark-up which is our revenue.

If we marked up the CFH or CMC prices they would be worse than Vidarr.

For any onlookers, our XTIUSD price is usually one of the tightest in the world. We aim to be the tightest across Index and Commodity CFDs. It requires constant refinement with our liquidity providers including Vidarr.

Meanwhile check out how much cheaper we are vs competitors verified by https://tradeproofer.com/ for May 2021 for commission adjusted spread.


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Providing nine months of tick data for CFH and CMC is a stretch. Shiro21 can analyse any trades and times when he thinks there was an issue. His trade receipts show the bid/ask spread when he executed his trades so he has all the data he needs.

Important note to everyone

If you're trading with Global Prime then you should check your trade receipts in a timely manner. We expect you to hold us accountable for each and every trade execution as it happens.

Shiro21's trades were executed in accordance with the information on our website, he just didn't check any of his trade receipts for a full 8 months of trading, thousands of trades and long after he stopped trading.

If a trader has an issue then it's expected to be identified and remedied immediately. You don't buy a car, do a few thousand kilometers (or miles!), then take it back to the dealer wanting a full refund because you didn't like it. We make all information available on our website and in our trade receipts in the interest of complete transparency. This is how all businesses should operate!

It's amazing how someone so detail orientated like Shiro21 did not bring ANY of this up with us during his time with us. You'd think he would be scrutinizing all the above BEFORE opening a brokerage account as well as with every trade as they happen if the broker offers trade receipts like we do.

Needs repeating

I'm going to bring this up again for people that don't care to go back one page.

There's a huge issue here where many of the accusations labeled on us by Shiro21 are defamatory and tantamount to libel. Shiro21 keeps repeating this outright false accusation:

"Which proves my point that globalprime pass the trade to it's affiliated company Gleneagle Securities, which then takes the other side of the trade, trading against the client and profiting from it."

We do no such thing as I have repeated many times during this thread. Yet he still continues to make the false accusation.

The ironic part is that we are one of the only brokers in the industry not profiting from client losses or running b-books and we are educating traders and exposing the pitfalls of b-books through media and our YouTube series of how brokers make money:

Episode 1: How Forex Brokers Make Money https://bit.ly/3g1eLBx
Episode 2: Forex Brokers Profit from Client Losses https://bit.ly/3sWTnB1
Episode 3: Dealing Desks Exposed! https://bit.ly/31Ta0BK
Episode 4: REAL liquidity VS B-book ! https://bit.ly/39Q5zvB
Episode 5: The REAL REASON Brokers Offer 500:1 Leverage https://bit.ly/3cVP3MP
Episode 6: Why Forex Brokers Profile Clients https://bit.ly/3cWX2ZT
Episode 7: Market Making vs B-Books ! https://bit.ly/3w80OG6

I mean really, how crazy would we have to be to be exposing and calling out an ENTIRE industry while doing the same thing as them? We are regulated by ASIC who knows our profit models (and other brokers profit models) because they poll all brokers once a year for an extremely detailed dive into their operations.

We've been labelled as dishonest scammers by Shiro21 while we have the best rating, are the most transparent and actually have an ethical profit model. Yet here we sit next to actual scam concerns of brokers stealing money, not paying out, fake binary options strategies, money stuck at liquidated brokers, pretty girls on social networks stealing peoples life savings, manipulated trades.

Shiro21 had no issue with any of his thousands of trades while trading with us over almost a year of trading. He had every opportunity to come to us with an issue yet he did not, because there weren't any.

Only after the fact when he was done trading did he start his crusade against us - doing exactly the same thing he did to us that he did with another broker only 1 month ago (see Shiro's first attempt here).

I will continue to defend our company from the slander posted here. I'm not going anywhere and I hope that people can take the time to read through my posts which debunk every myth Shiro21 conjures up.

Nothing raised in this thread concerns me apart form the falsehood presented by Shiro21 saying that we"trade against the client and profit from it."

The reason Global Prime can be so transparent is because we have nothing to hide. The same can't be said for almost every other broker out there b-booking you guys til the cows come home and we won't stop until that is exposed and every trader realises you've all had the wool pulled over your eyes.

Please let me know if there's anything else I can clarify.

Wishing you all the best with your trading umpar.

Cheers,
Jeremy
 

Shiro21

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PrimeXM

Every MT4 broker must use a bridge/aggregator technology stack to connect their liquidity to MT4. The big players are PrimeXM and OneZero. Yes, these technology platforms do give the ability to choose to b-book which is what most brokers do.

We don't b-book or profit from client losses, which is why we've chosen to call ourselves ECN while every broker has removed their use of the term ECN, some with notices from ASIC about it.

Right, so we're suppose to take your word for it without any evidence to back your claims.


Skout

Skout is our FIX engine and has already been explained (click here). We use it for batch hedging small tickets to save from exorbitant small ticket fee's at the Prime Broker.

Skout is NOT used for CFDs so the XTIUSD and US30 trades @Shiro21 is talking about are executed with liquidity provider Vidarr through the PrimeXM bridge/aggregator.

Funny how they choose to use PrimeXM, a software that allows them to B-Book, instead of using Skout, which they are already using it for other instruments.

Tick / spread data

As has also been explained other LPs are excluded from the order book for the XTIUSD and US30 CFDs since their prices cannot be aggregated with Vidarr due to:

1. Prices being different as per the table below which has already been posted
2. There is no central counterparty to clear the trades

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In an earlier post he said that Vidarr has the widest spread as seen in the table above, however, the spreads from CFH and CMC are raw and we make no money on them. The Vidarr spread includes mark-up which is our revenue.

If we marked up the CFH or CMC prices they would be worse than Vidarr.

Why would they show raw prices for CMC and CFH and then show mark-up price for Vidarr as a comparison? It just doesnt make any sense. And if Globalprime truly is an ECN broker, they would collect a fix commission for passing your trade to the LPs, how would they make no money from it? Instead they pass it to Vidarr because they are making more money from their clients through this invisible "mark-up".


For any onlookers, our XTIUSD price is usually one of the tightest in the world. We aim to be the tightest across Index and Commodity CFDs. It requires constant refinement with our liquidity providers including Vidarr.

Meanwhile check out how much cheaper we are vs competitors verified by https://tradeproofer.com/ for May 2021 for commission adjusted spread.


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You talk about having the tightest spread for XTI but is showing other pairs instead? Where's the XTIUSD spread comparison to other brokers?

Providing nine months of tick data for CFH and CMC is a stretch. Shiro21 can analyse any trades and times when he thinks there was an issue. His trade receipts show the bid/ask spread when he executed his trades so he has all the data he needs.

Such data is not available, because Vidarr is the only counterparty when i executed all my trades, and thus the price, spread and tick data for other of their so called 'LPs' cannot be found anywhere in the trade receipt. This is just another one of their lies to hide the truth from their client.

Important note to everyone

If you're trading with Global Prime then you should check your trade receipts in a timely manner. We expect you to hold us accountable for each and every trade execution as it happens.

Shiro21's trades were executed in accordance with the information on our website, he just didn't check any of his trade receipts for a full 8 months of trading, thousands of trades and long after he stopped trading.

I've already explained this in a previous post. Apparently, he is too busy blowing his own horn that he didn't even see it.

They have intentionally mix in ECN product with non ECN products. You would not be able to tell which is which if you did not dig deep into it like I did. Because a lot of the important information just isn't in the trade receipts.


If a trader has an issue then it's expected to be identified and remedied immediately. You don't buy a car, do a few thousand kilometers (or miles!), then take it back to the dealer wanting a full refund because you didn't like it. We make all information available on our website and in our trade receipts in the interest of complete transparency. This is how all businesses should operate!

In fact you can. That's what a warranty is for. If defects is found after a few months, then it gets replaced for free. If you knowingly make false claims about the specs of the car, then it is illegal. There are so many flaws to your argument that applies to the very circumstances surrounding my claims, it's almost like you're trying to prove me right.

And it's common for dishonest merchant to deny responsibility in many of such cases. Nuff said.

It's amazing how someone so detail orientated like Shiro21 did not bring ANY of this up with us during his time with us. You'd think he would be scrutinizing all the above BEFORE opening a brokerage account as well as with every trade as they happen if the broker offers trade receipts like we do.

This has also been covered in one of my previous post, about how i discovered the execution model of Globalprime. Jemook just chose to ignore it and throw around the very same wrong assumptions even after it has been explained. Just goes to show how he handle problems when it is not to his advantage.

Sure, he might be able to handle small issues well, but when something big like this happens, he just shuts off and ignore most of the stuff shared over the past 12 pages and continue boasting about his ratings instead of solving the issue. Lols. Not sure how that's gonna help.


We've been labelled as dishonest scammers by Shiro21 while we have the best rating, are the most transparent and actually have an ethical profit model. Yet here we sit next to actual scam concerns of brokers stealing money, not paying out, fake binary options strategies, money stuck at liquidated brokers, pretty girls on social networks stealing peoples life savings, manipulated trades.

Shiro21 had no issue with any of his thousands of trades while trading with us over almost a year of trading. He had every opportunity to come to us with an issue yet he did not, because there weren't any.

In fact i have, or this thread wouldn't be here. You are just trying to sweep everything under the carpet. Why are you reluctant to provide me with the pricing and spread data of other brokers for me to do a comparison? Because that would expose your lies?


Only after the fact when he was done trading did he start his crusade against us - doing exactly the same thing he did to us that he did with another broker only 1 month ago (see Shiro's first attempt here).

It's thanks to this broker that i found out about your misconduct, so don't try to distract others and shift their attention away from your own wrongdoings.


I will continue to defend our company from the slander posted here. I'm not going anywhere and I hope that people can take the time to read through my posts which debunk every myth Shiro21 conjures up.

Nothing raised in this thread concerns me apart form the falsehood presented by Shiro21 saying that we"trade against the client and profit from it."

The reason Global Prime can be so transparent is because we have nothing to hide. The same can't be said for almost every other broker out there b-booking you guys til the cows come home and we won't stop until that is exposed and every trader realises you've all had the wool pulled over your eyes.

If you really have nothing to hide, then send me the data from other LPs to compare against Vidarr. The fact is Globalprime makes more money by passing client's trade to Vidarr, and because of that, there is a conflict of interest that prevents globalprime from giving you the best prices.

And you guys would know none of it is "false accusations" if you have looked through the previous posts and see how they are connected to each other. Globalprime, Gleneagle Securities and Vidarr. Even though Vidarr is the counterparty to Globalprime's client, the same director from Vidarr is also a director of Globalprime, how are they not connected? I'll let you guys figure it out for yourself.


At least this guy is smart enough to ask the right questions:
These are some excellent questions and the evidence presented will finally put to rest the claim that Globalprime is not a ECN. Why are there so many middlemen involved at every step?

So now there is primeXM who is the aggregator for all client trades and connects clients to your liquidity providers. Isnt this what the skout software does? Why do you need another external software to mirror the role of the FIX engine?

Do you have the tick and spread data? Curious about that as well.

And Jemook wasn't able to properly answer any of those questions. If you look at his replies. He pretty much repeated 3/4 of his post and didn't address anything of importance with a real explanation.
 
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dragon_1

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Just going to add that I'm thankful that this discussion has occurred as it has proven to be very educational, at the very least, regardless of the outcome.
 
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